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The Judicial Integrity of the United States Court is "Priceless" - 27 More Foreclosures Dismissed
I am facing foreclosure ^ | November 16th, 2007 | Aaron Krowne & Moe Bedard

Posted on 11/17/2007 8:23:04 AM PST by AndyJackson

In a decision piggy-backing on Judge Boyko’s recent Deutsche Bank ruling (announced on this site Tuesday), Judge Rose has thrown out another batch of foreclosures, making the following summary remarks:

“This court is well aware that entities who hold valid notes are entitled to receive timely payments in accordance with the notes. And, if they do not receive timely payments, the entities have the right to seek foreclosure on the accompanying mortgages.

However, with regard the enforcement of standing and other jurisdictional requirements pertaining to foreclosure actions, this court is in full agreement with Judge Christopher A Boyko for the Northern District of Ohio who recently stressed, ‘That the judicial integrity of the United States District Court is ‘Priceless.’”

The ruling is another HUGE victory for consumer advocate attorneys and homeowners in general.

A pdf file of the full ruling is available here.

Jacksonville Legal Aid attorney April Charney remarked to us regarding the two Ohio decisions:

As to the real ramification of the Ohio decision, aside from slowing the foreclosure trains, is that the fact that there were no “original” assignments rendering the sales of the mortgages to the trusts, in violation of the true sale obligations imposed by securities law. ”

For more comments by April and us on this foundational issue of these rulings, see our next post. There we also address some criticisms and critiques we’ve received since our original coverage.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: boyko; foreclosure; mortgage
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The judge's decision further states:

While the plaintiffs in each of the above-captioned cases have pled that they have standing and that this Court has subject matter jurisdiction, they have submitted evidence that indicates that they may not have had standing at the time the foreclosure complaint was filed and that subject matter jurisdiction may not have existed when the foreclosure complaint was filed. Further, this Court has the responsibility to assure itself that the foreclosure plaintiffs have standing and that subject-matter-jurisdiction requirements are met at the time the complaint is filed. Even without the concerns raised by the documents the plaintiffs have filed, there is reason to question the existence of standing and the jurisdictional amount. See Katherine M. Porter, Misbehavior and Mistake in Bankruptcy Mortgage Claims 3-4 (November 6, 2007), University of Iowa College of Law Legal Studies Research Paper Series Available at SSRN: http://ssrn.com/abstract-1027961 (“[H]ome mortgage lenders often disobey the law and overreach in calculating the mortgage obligations of consumers. … Many of the overcharges and unreliable calculations… raise the specter of poor recordkeeping, failure to comply with consumer protection laws, and massive, consistent overcharging.”)

Therefore, plaintiffs are given until not later than thirty days following entry of this order to submit evidence showing that they had standing in the above-captioned cases when the Case 3:07-cv-00286-TMR-MRM Document 24 Filed 11/15/2007 Page 4 of 7 1The Court views the statement “the complaint must be accompanied by the following” to mean that the items listed must be filed with the complaint and not at some time later that is more convenient for the plaintiff. -5- complaint was filed and that this Court had diversity jurisdiction when the complaint was filed. Failure to do so will result in dismissal without prejudice to refiling if and when the plaintiff acquires standing and the diversity jurisdiction requirements are met. See In re Foreclosure Cases, No. 1:07CV2282, et al., slip op. (N.D. Ohio Oct. 31, 2007) (Boyko, J.)

1 posted on 11/17/2007 8:23:07 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Hydroshock

ping


2 posted on 11/17/2007 8:23:33 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson
Your source says it is a 404 page and you can not look at it.

Is your source good?

3 posted on 11/17/2007 8:26:57 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
Link is here
4 posted on 11/17/2007 8:33:57 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson
Guess I am naive. I don't understand why so many people are having foreclosure on their homes.

Are all these foreclosures the result of people being given open ended loans for homes they cannot actually afford?

5 posted on 11/17/2007 8:36:03 AM PST by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: AndyJackson

So, do the rest of us that do pay our mortgages get to pay for those who default?


6 posted on 11/17/2007 8:36:50 AM PST by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: Dustbunny
Well, the qualified for adjustable rate mortgages at an interest rate of 1.75% - so you and I would qualify to buy Bill Gates's house - but then the interest rate reset to current market rates, or in many cases much higher (i.e. up to 10%). So, their monthly payments double, trebble, etc. and they cannot pay.

It was a scam, on all fronts. Lenders, brokers (mortgage and real estate) and borrowers all knew that the borrowers weren't actually qualified. But, if prices had continued to go up (paid for by whom, no one has answered), then the system would have remained solvant. We are dealing with the last lenders and last buyers in line and bam, the house of cards is coming down.

Folks have long predicted that sooner or later this would happen. The miracle is that it continued for so long. The other wonder is how fast it is all unraveling.

7 posted on 11/17/2007 8:40:37 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: caver

I think not. This is a business loss and comes off the profits of the owners of the company that does this business.


8 posted on 11/17/2007 8:41:33 AM PST by Leisler (RNC, RINO National Committee. Always was, always will be.)
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To: caver
do the rest of us that do pay our mortgages get to pay for those who default?

In many ways. Interest rates will be higher. Home equity will decline with prices. Folks who thought that they had a lot of money in pension funds which owned this stuff will find that they don't. Banks will pay lower interest rates to its depositors and charge higher interest to its customers to pay for the legal liabilities for all the false promises, incompetence and fraud in settling claim by those who are either homeless or penniless, etc. Oh, and inflation has to soar to avoid locking up the economy.

Other than that you are probably fine.

9 posted on 11/17/2007 8:43:46 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: caver

“So, do the rest of us that do pay our mortgages get to pay for those who default?”

....yes I expect that the lenders will find some way to pass along their losses.


10 posted on 11/17/2007 8:45:23 AM PST by STONEWALLS
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To: caver
So, do the rest of us that do pay our mortgages get to pay for those who default?

Of course, just as you get to pay higher prices at the store to pay for all the stuff these same thieving bums shoplift.

11 posted on 11/17/2007 8:45:37 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Leisler
I think not. This is a business loss and comes off the profits of the owners of the company that does this business.

Another popular misconception. Businesses do not pay for losses, judgements, higher wages, or increased taxes. We do. Costs are always passed on to the consumer. Businesses will make their profit.

12 posted on 11/17/2007 8:45:46 AM PST by jim-x (God help America survive its enemies within.)
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To: AndyJackson

Re mortgage securities I think we are at the stage the captain of the Titanic was at early into the event — a mere scrape, he says. There is both a primal legal risk — it may be that the securities have no value at all, being invalid contracts, and there is — so some indicators I have seen would suggest — a significant problem of sloppiness. The kind of sloppiness that favors over-booking of the same asset, again and again in multiple securities, and also that overstates (from sloppy transfer of data fields from one house to the next) the fees and interest accrued on an individual security.


13 posted on 11/17/2007 8:47:41 AM PST by bvw
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To: AndyJackson

It is only a temporary victory. The judges are telling the foreclosers that they have to be more rigorous in proving their ownership rights re the mortgage notes. As soon as they do that, the foreclosures will resume.


14 posted on 11/17/2007 8:48:11 AM PST by expatpat
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To: Dustbunny
Typical example from Cal. Buyer states income even though they have documented income, in order to qualify for a higher loan.

Lender accepts stated income and loans 100% on an adjustable rate at a low start level for two years.

After two years, payment increases dramatically and owners can't make payment.

They try to refinance, but value of the house went down and they can't refi enough to payoff original 100% loan.

They default and get foreclosed.

15 posted on 11/17/2007 8:50:47 AM PST by purpleraine
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To: expatpat
If you read the judge's opinion and order it is not quite so simple. The forecloser has to prove that he had been assigned the rights to the mortgage prior to foreclosing, and in the state of Ohio, that right had to be properly recorded (in the appropriate office). It is more than a formality, but rather a necessary legal preliminary. There are interesting articles indicating that the issue about rights to the underlying asset vs rights to the stream of payments is rather clouded. See False security? Corporate insolvencies are testing whether securitization is a stable structure or a flimsy facade - Bankruptcy 2003
16 posted on 11/17/2007 8:53:13 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson
Thanks for the explanation.

So it is all a case of greed on the lenders part and stupidity for trusting what the sales person/lender is spinning on how the borrower can pay for the Brooklyn Bridge.

17 posted on 11/17/2007 8:53:38 AM PST by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: Leisler
This is a business loss and comes off the profits of the owners of the company that does this business.

Who gives a darn with crooks. That is exactly what these lending institutions were involved in. Real Estate lending is one of the biggest shams in American history.

18 posted on 11/17/2007 9:02:08 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: jim-x

Bull. Business get sold, auctioned, their property, rights, brands, interest get sized and take all the time for losses.

Costs are not ‘always’ passed on. Have you been hit up by the Studebaker Company lately? Still working those South Sea Company debts off?


19 posted on 11/17/2007 9:03:32 AM PST by Leisler (RNC, RINO National Committee. Always was, always will be.)
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To: Logical me
It’s what built this country. Scams. Dreams. Mistakes. Delusions. Greed. Wants. Guns, liqueur, Bibles, women, fast horses, hoochee hoochee in the Orient with Chinese opium girls....

It’s a riotous circus, not a funeral march.

20 posted on 11/17/2007 9:06:11 AM PST by Leisler (RNC, RINO National Committee. Always was, always will be.)
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