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Supreme Court Will Hear D.C. Guns Case
AP via SFGate ^ | 11/20/7 | MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 11/20/2007 10:17:40 AM PST by SmithL

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To: TLI

After I posted the comment, I took a look around for some statistics and couldn’t find anything on the Patriots. I also noticed the site you linked to and almost made the same mistake. The quote only refers to the Loyalists (those loyal to the crown) and does not include the Patriots. IF (big if) the population was split, theoretically, about 60% (33% Loyalist, 33% Patriots) of it had, at least, chosen a side to support. IOW, I’m still not sure on the percentage that were directly involved (combat or aid/supply/tangible support) on either side.


321 posted on 11/24/2007 9:14:01 PM PST by batter ("Always take the offensive...Never Dig in." - Gen Patton)
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To: Still Thinking

I don’t cross my fingers...;-)

My finger sits right outside the trigger guard...hehehe


322 posted on 11/25/2007 5:29:43 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: jim_trent

It is a narrow question, that begs for a wide opinion...


323 posted on 11/25/2007 5:33:05 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: Still Thinking

If this goes the RIGHT way, I wonder how it will affect the murder rate in DC in the subsequent years....


324 posted on 11/25/2007 5:33:10 AM PST by uncitizen
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To: Jacquerie; Lexington Green
The wrong SCOTUS opinion is a declaration of civil war.

Not a chance.

You just flunked your history test.

325 posted on 11/27/2007 1:54:23 PM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: batter
I don't remember the exact number that took part in the Revolution, but it was a minority (I think between 15-30% of the population - probably closer to the 15%).

Wrong century, wrong war, wrong statistics. Statistical and background information on a XX-Century analogue to the conditions we're facing can be found *here.*

See if any of this sounds familiar [or likely]

The tragedy of the civil war was compounded by a reign of terror that was unleashed by each side. In Red-dominated areas, 1,649 people, mostly businessmen, independent farmers, and other members of the middle class were murdered for political reasons. This Red Terror appears not to have been a systematic effort to liquidate class enemies, but rather to have been generally random. The Red Terror was disavowed by the Red leadership and illustrated the extent to which the Red Guard evaded the control of the leadership. More than anything else, the Red Terror helped to alienate the populace from the Red cause; it also harmed the morale of the Reds. ... .

The Red Terror confirmed the belief of the Whites that the Reds were criminals and traitors and were therefore not entitled to the protection of the rules of war. As a consequence, the Whites embarked on their own reign of terror, the White Terror, which proved much more ferocious than the Red Terror. First, there were reprisals against defeated Reds, in the form of mass executions of Red prisoners. These killings were carried on by local White commanders over the opposition of White leadership. At least 8,380 Reds were killed, more than half after the Whites' final victory. Another component of the White Terror was the suffering of the Reds imprisoned after the war. The Whites considered these Reds to be criminals and feared that they might start another insurrection. By May 1918, they had captured about 80,000 Red troops, whom they could neither house nor feed. Placed in a number of detention camps, the prisoners suffered from malnutrition and general neglect, and within a few months an estimated 12,000 of them had died. The third aspect of the White Terror was legal repression. As a result of mass trials, approximately 67,000 Reds were convicted of participating in the war, and of these 265 were executed; the remainder lost their rights of citizenship, although many sentences were later suspended or commuted. ... .

The civil war was a catastrophe for Finland. In only a few months, about 30,000 Finns perished, less than a quarter of them on the battlefield, the rest in summary executions and in detention camps. These deaths amounted to about 1 percent of the total population of Finland. By comparison, the bloodiest war in the history of the United States, the Civil War, cost the lives of about 2 percent of the population, but that loss was spread out over four years.

The memory of the injuries perpetrated during the war divided the society into two camps; victors and vanquished. The working class had suffered the deaths of about 25,000 from battle, execution, or prison, and thousands of others had been imprisoned or had lost their political rights. Almost every working-class family had a direct experience of suffering or death at the hands of the Whites, and perhaps as much as 40 percent of the population was thereby alienated from the system. As a result, for several generations thereafter, a large number of Finns expressed their displeasure with the system by voting communist; and until the 1960s, the communists often won a fifth or more of the vote in Finland's national elections, a higher percentage than they did in most Western democracies.

The divisions in society that resulted from the conflict were so intense that the two sides could not even agree on what it ought to be called. The right gave it the name "War of Independence," thereby stressing the struggle against Russian rule, for they had feared that a Red victory could well lead to the country's becoming a Soviet satellite. Leftists emphasized the domestic dimensions of the conflict, referring to it by the term "Civil War." Their feelings about the course of the hostilities were so intense that, until the late 1930s, Social Democrats refused to march in the Independence Day parade. Today, with the passing of decades, historians have generally come to define the clash as a civil war.

326 posted on 11/27/2007 2:01:42 PM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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