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A Welcome Mat for Gun Searches
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Posted on 11/28/2007 5:36:45 AM PST by SoldierMedic

In the coming weeks, Boston police will begin asking parents in several impoverished, high-crime neighborhoods to allow searches of their homes — without the need for warrants. The surprising reaction: many parents and community leaders are all for it. And that is making for an intriguing civil liberties debate.

Under the experimental program, dubbed "Safe Homes," teams of police officers assigned to Boston's public schools will hunt for leads on youths believed to have guns. Tips might come from neighbors, or even parents or guardians, who are often fearful of their own children. Three plainclothes officers and a clergyperson or community activist will show up at the youth's home. The officers will ask parents to sign a form allowing the search of the home, including the child's room. Weapons found in the child's possession will be seized, and no charges will be filed unless the weapon is linked to a violent crime. "This is an interaction between human beings, where common sense will prevail," Edward Davis, Boston's police commissioner, told TIME.

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The American Civil Liberties Union swiftly assailed the program and announced plans to issue leaflets in several neighborhoods to inform residents about the potential ramifications of allowing police officers to search their homes. Jorge Martinez, executive director of Project Right Inc., a social service organization in the Dorchester neighborhood, asked the police department to require a defense attorney to be present at all searches and tell residents that such searches are voluntary. "Many of these folks are from third world countries, where anyone in uniform symbolizes oppression," says Martinez, referring to the Grove Hall neighborhood, home to a mix of African-Americans, Haitians, Dominicans and Cape Verdeans.

The ACLU actually does something that helps America?! Never thought I'd see the day.
1 posted on 11/28/2007 5:36:46 AM PST by SoldierMedic
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To: SoldierMedic

The Boston Police are hoping that the average American doesn’t remember their Constitutional rights when asked if their home can be searched. If you watch the show, “COPS” it happens all the time. The police are very good about posing the question to search that’s amiable to the suspect. Often, the suspect gives in and of course they find drugs or something illegal.
However, that person can refuse but often doesn’t.


2 posted on 11/28/2007 5:39:07 AM PST by Slapshot68
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To: SoldierMedic
"Many of these folks are from third world countries, where anyone in uniform symbolizes oppression," says Martinez, referring to the Grove Hall neighborhood, home to a mix of African-Americans, Haitians, Dominicans and Cape Verdeans.

what e v e r. Just get the guns from these African-American, Haitian, Dominican, Cape Verdean murderers.

3 posted on 11/28/2007 5:41:34 AM PST by Eddie01
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To: SoldierMedic

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Although I don’t think they’re quite up to twice yet.


4 posted on 11/28/2007 5:41:49 AM PST by faloi
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To: SoldierMedic

A broken clock is right once a day...


5 posted on 11/28/2007 5:43:20 AM PST by Charlespg (Peace= When we trod the ruins of Mecca and Medina under our infidel boots.)
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To: faloi
"This is an interaction between human beings, where common sense will prevail," Edward Davis, Boston's police commissioner

Oh. PAH LEEEEESE

6 posted on 11/28/2007 5:44:20 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Slapshot68

“However, that person can refuse but often doesn’t.”

There are a lot of shows on TV where the police do anything they want and it’s taken as a matter of course. Hardly anyone on these shows says “No!, Get a warrant” and when they do they’re treated as objects of derision by the cops. I love it when they’re questioning a suspect and the guy just starts babbling a confession. The message these shows send is to let police do anything they want and don’t question authority.


7 posted on 11/28/2007 5:48:29 AM PST by dljordan
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To: Slapshot68
Just like a cop asking to search your car. You have no obligation to give him permission. A warrant is needed or PC such as a sniffer dog indicating drugs.
8 posted on 11/28/2007 5:48:54 AM PST by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: Puppage

“This is an interaction between human beings, where common sense will prevail,” Edward Davis, Boston’s police commissioner

Oh. PAH LEEEEESE”

Its TRUE, Honest. Never mind that they wanna send you and your babies to prison. But hey, its easier than real police work.


9 posted on 11/28/2007 5:49:20 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: Charlespg; faloi

faloi : Says a broken clock is right twice a day.

You say a broken clock is right once a day.

I wonder if it’s a generational thing.

You know, digital clocks vs old-style dial watches?

Off-topic, but these changes in our colloquialisms fascinate me. For example, I’m wondering when “dial” will cease to have any meaning in the context of phone calls.


10 posted on 11/28/2007 5:50:37 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: SoldierMedic

So I imagine that if you decline you will end up on a “speacial list” of someone with something to hide...


11 posted on 11/28/2007 5:52:26 AM PST by Proverbs 3-5
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To: SoldierMedic

We had a conservative politician in a local race attacked because a group he had a consulting contract with put information on their web page informing their members that talking with the police was voluntary, and they could request to have a lawyer present if they desired.

After 9/11, there is a LOT of pressure to give up our liberty for a little more security, and this is another example (although not in the context of terrorism).

I think the police screwed up by not including clear information about the voluntary nature of the program ON the paperwork.


12 posted on 11/28/2007 5:53:01 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: SoldierMedic

Clever.
The socialists can’t take rights away from the people so they try to talk them into it - for safety of course.


13 posted on 11/28/2007 5:55:12 AM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen (An American Patriot and an anti-Islam kind of fellow - POI)
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It seems really odd. Why are the parents giving police the permission to do something that they could do themselves ie look into their kid’s room for a weapon?


14 posted on 11/28/2007 5:55:47 AM PST by SoldierMedic (Rowan Walter, 23 Feb 2007 Ramadi)
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To: SoldierMedic

“The surprising reaction: many parents and community leaders are all for it.”

What the surprise? Even on Free Republic many tell us that they have nothing to hide and would gladly give away privacy rights.

I’ve said it many times: People don’t want to be free. They want to be taken care of.


15 posted on 11/28/2007 5:58:51 AM PST by live+let_live
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I think the police screwed up by not including clear information about the voluntary nature of the program ON the paperwork.

Totally, and there are still many questions unanswered. Does the warrant only cover weapons found, and if so, what will police repsonse be to a grow operation or a dead body?
16 posted on 11/28/2007 6:03:52 AM PST by SoldierMedic (Rowan Walter, 23 Feb 2007 Ramadi)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
For example, I’m wondering when “dial” will cease to have any meaning in the context of phone calls.

When I find out, I'll wire you.

17 posted on 11/28/2007 6:06:10 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: SoldierMedic

“clergyperson”???


18 posted on 11/28/2007 6:28:25 AM PST by Jack Hammer (here)
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To: SoldierMedic
...Boston police will begin asking parents in several impoverished, high-crime neighborhoods to allow searches of their homes — without the need for warrants.

If permission is given there is no need for a warrant. The key word is asking.

19 posted on 11/28/2007 6:30:18 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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To: Jack Hammer
“clergyperson”???

For last rites in case you resist ; )

20 posted on 11/28/2007 6:32:21 AM PST by ravingnutter
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