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To: Ken H
I accept that you've provided Madison quotes that are not placed in their proper historical context. For example, what instances of licentiousness was he referring to? I mean, since we're talking about obscenity being/not being under First Amendment protection, was he referring to obscenity in American newspapers?

Also, if Madison and the other Framers really did believe that valid "licentiousness" included obscenity, why did it take until late in the 20th Century for the courts to discover this plain truth?

115 posted on 12/14/2007 9:20:05 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
I accept that you've provided Madison quotes that are not placed in their proper historical context.

Here's a link to the writings I quoted from. Does the context change whether Madison believed the First Amendment - where it applied - protected licentiousness by the press?

For example, what instances of licentiousness was he referring to? I mean, since we're talking about obscenity being/not being under First Amendment protection, was he referring to obscenity in American newspapers?

AFAIK, he only says it protects licentiousness by the press, so I'd have to know how the term was understood in 1789.

Also, if Madison and the other Framers really did believe that valid "licentiousness" included obscenity, why did it take until late in the 20th Century for the courts to discover this plain truth?

Are you sure the Court has said "obscenity" is protected? My understanding is that they make a distinction between vulgarity/profanity vs obscenity.

Either way, Madison made it clear that the First Amendment protected at least some degree of licentiousness. If your position is that the First Amendment was meant to protect political and religious speech only, then you are in conflict with Madison.

116 posted on 12/14/2007 10:39:10 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Mr. Silverback
I meant to ask again. You wrote:

Also, if Madison and the other Framers really did believe that valid "licentiousness" included obscenity, why did it take until late in the 20th Century for the courts to discover this plain truth?

Is it your assertion that the Court has ruled that "obscenity" is protected speech?

120 posted on 12/15/2007 12:26:38 AM PST by Ken H
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To: Mr. Silverback
Used to be printing was expensive stuff.

Now, regarding early pornography, there are these drawings done in the 7th, 8th, 9th century in Scandinavia ~ incredible ~ all with a political implication in fact.

Political porn is the foundation of politics in Western civilization (in part).

124 posted on 12/15/2007 4:09:44 AM PST by muawiyah
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