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This Day in World War II: Operation Shingle Invasion at Anzio January 22, 1944
U.S. Army Center of Military History and I-Biblio "American Forces in Action" ^ | January 22, 2008 | Clayton D. Laurie

Posted on 01/22/2008 8:05:42 PM PST by bd476

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Reading today about Anzio and the complexity of some of the behind the scenes machinations gives new insight into the extensive planning which goes into implementing any operation of war.

General Eisenhower had approached General Patton about going in to clean up the mess at Anzio. Patton was delighted to accept. Then as quickly as Eisenhower had offered, he then withdrew the offer. Supposedly Patton never learned why the Anzio command offer was withdrawn. The reason Patton was not sent to Anzio was due to the presence of Lt. General Truscott.

Lt. Gen. Lucian K. Truscott was someone Eisenhower had wanted sent to England to help in the invasion at Normandy. When General Mark Clark became Commander of the Allied Army Group, Truscott then assumed command of the Fifth Army.

Senior officers on both sides wanted Patton at Anzio. British Admiral Sir John Cunningham wrote the First Sea Lord "It's a thousand pities we didn't let Patton do the job!"

Patton: A Genius for War


21 posted on 01/22/2008 9:06:44 PM PST by bd476
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To: Mr. Silverback; rlmorel; Eternal_Bear


I just posted a little more background information here.


22 posted on 01/22/2008 9:10:34 PM PST by bd476
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To: rlmorel
Thanks Rlmorel. Everyday we owe them a huge debt of gratitude.

23 posted on 01/22/2008 9:14:15 PM PST by bd476
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To: bd476
Patton I think would have been great for commanding.

I think what goofed things up was Clark telling Lucas to be cautious on D-Day off the record at the time. That he had authorization to do what he wanted but to be careful. Lucas took it literally.

24 posted on 01/22/2008 9:14:16 PM PST by msnpatriot
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To: Mr. Silverback
Mr. Silverback wrote: "My grandfather was there. I’m very proud of him."

God Bless your Grandfather and all men who served.

25 posted on 01/22/2008 9:17:44 PM PST by bd476
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To: bd476

Cool, thanks!


26 posted on 01/22/2008 9:18:48 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: NormsRevenge
God Bless your Uncle, NormsRevenge.

27 posted on 01/22/2008 9:18:49 PM PST by bd476
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To: Lancey Howard
Lancey Howard wrote: "My boss’s father was in this Anzio invasion. I talked to him about it last year. He’s still sharp as a tack. Thanks for posting this."

You're welcome, Lancey.

While they're still alive it's good to thank them for their service and then ask them what they recall about their time in the service. We need to remember, and it helps to hear their personal perspectives.

God Bless your boss's Father!

28 posted on 01/22/2008 9:23:30 PM PST by bd476
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Yep, exactly.

There has been a lot of recognition of the veterans of D-Day (and rightly so) but there has been a bit of collective memory loss of the Italian campaign...the Germans still had many of their best troops down there, and they fought a horribly effective retreating campaign.


29 posted on 01/22/2008 9:24:12 PM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: bd476
The VP before Truman bl abed the plan to a German spy. Another nail that got rid of him.
30 posted on 01/22/2008 9:24:48 PM PST by Domangart (editor and publisher)
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To: bd476
Yep. Anzio was seriously F*ed up. I talked to guys who had been pinned down on the Anzio beachhead. Couldn't even move enough to take a leak for two-three days.

Anzio was the classic example of how the best plan in the world goes to shit as soon as the shooting starts, no reflection on the valor of the men who fought and died there.

31 posted on 01/22/2008 9:35:55 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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Rock of the Marne, bump!

Regards,


32 posted on 01/22/2008 10:34:27 PM PST by Thunder 6
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Yes, I have subscribed to S&T since USN was published. You ever hang out at Consimworld?


33 posted on 01/23/2008 2:21:19 AM PST by Eternal_Bear
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No, but I’ll have to check out Consimworld.

I have collected WWII books for over 40 years. Those are important for understanding.

But I’ve noticed if you play a given simulation lets say three times, you learn much more, and gain an unique feel for the campaign or battle. Not to mention the names of the terrain, units involved, advantages and disadvantages, what units were strong, or weak.

The Barbarossa, Afrika Korps, Tunisian, Bulge, simulations go a long way to develop understanding of why things turned out as they did.

Haven't tried the PC simulations yet, has anyone on here done that?

***Yes, I have subscribed to S&T since USN was published. You ever hang out at Consimworld?***

34 posted on 01/23/2008 6:40:00 AM PST by msnpatriot
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To: hinckley buzzard

Not exactly. The German divisions that were operating in that theatre were NOT operating in Russia. That was the main plan. Hitler paid too much attention to Italy. He could have kept the Allies at bay with fewer divisions by not counterattacking. Losing those divisions on the Eastern Front was devastating to the Germans

The big discussion for the Allies was whether to go in at Anzio or south France or maybe Yugoslavia. It was agreed that taking Rome would help the war the most.

I’m now reading a book called Backwater war : the Allied campaign in Italy, 1943-1945 by Edwin P. Hoyt


35 posted on 01/23/2008 6:53:11 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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Another interesting book on WWII as far as the overall scheme of things go is ‘volume 1: The War In The West’ Total War.

It’s different in that it deals with the major decisions and politics throughout the war. Shocking actually.

Most of whats in this book couldn't’t have been told during WWII, and puts things in perspective.

Probably not as popular a read as books dealing with the actual battles, but the decision making at the top levels, and what really happened is amazing. Good example is:

It shows how much of a problem Ike had with Patton behind the scenes, and how they tried to dump him near the end of the war. They evaluated Patton and came to the conclusion he was mentally unstable.

Good Book:

http://www.amazon.com/Total-War-1-Peter-Calvocoressi/dp/0140101020/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1201101514&sr=1-12

36 posted on 01/23/2008 7:29:22 AM PST by msnpatriot
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To: Lancey Howard

One of my uncles was in the Anzio invasion. He was shot up on his right side. He lived and came home, but he was on 100% disablity for the rest of his life. Uncle Len was always sharp, too. He had a very dry wit, to boot.


37 posted on 01/23/2008 1:35:56 PM PST by quikdrw (Life is tough....it's even tougher if you are stupid.)
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