Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Judge hears arguments in suit challenging plastic bag ban
Oakland Tribune ^ | 1/30/8 | Kelly Rayburn

Posted on 01/30/2008 12:43:36 PM PST by SmithL

OAKLAND — An attorney representing a group of plastic bag manufacturers and recyclers challenged Oakland's plastic-bag ban in court Tuesday, saying the city failed to properly study the negative environmental impacts of increased use of paper bags.

In the closely watched dispute, the Sacramento-based Coalition to Support Plastic Bag Recycling is arguing that the ban should be scrapped because Oakland officials did not prepare an environmental impact report, or EIR, before outlawing non-biodegradable plastic bags at retail outlets that do more than $1 million a year in business.

The City Council gave final approval to the ban in July, arguing it was sound environmental policy. But the plastic-bag coalition said if customers switch to paper, that will have negative environmental effects of its own.

"It's not speculation," said Michael Mills, an attorney for the coalition. "Everyone knowsthat paper-bag use is going to increase, but no one knows by how much. That's the exact reason, your honor, to do the EIR."

Not so, the city argued in court. Oakland officials maintain that use of reusable bags would increase with the ban on oil-based plastic, as would the use of biodegradable plastic, they say.

"There's no evidence that more paper bags will be used," said Kevin Siegel, the attorney who represented the city in court. "There are only arguments that more paper bags will be used."

Superior Court Judge Frank Roesch said he would rule within the next week or two.

"I think it looks hopeful," said City Councilmember Jean Quan (Montclair-Laurel), who co-wrote Oakland's ordinance with Councilmember Nancy Nadel (Downtown-West Oakland), and attended part of Tuesday's hearing. "The judge seemed very open."

Should the courts rule against the city, officials would likely go ahead and complete the EIR, at the cost of $100,000 or even more, Quan said, before moving once again to adopt the ban.

The situation in Oakland is being watched by cities across the nation and comes as part of a widespread push to curtail the use of petroleum-based plastic bags, which, critics say, are killing wildlife around the world.

Environmentalists are sounding the alarms about a massive vortex of swirling trash, most of it plastic — called the Great Pacific Garbage Patch or the Pacific Trash Vortex — in the Pacific Ocean. The patch is said to be twice the size of Texas.

China recently moved to ban production of certain plastic bags ahead of this year's Summer Olympics in Beijing. Ireland and South Africa are among other countries to curb plastic-bag use. And, in the United States, after San Francisco and Oakland passed their bans, other cities are considering doing the same.

Whole Foods Market earlier this month said that by April 22 — Earth Day — plastic will not be an option at checkout lines in any of its 270 stores. Oakland's Whole Foods is already plastic-bag-free.

A brief the city filed in the case said Californians use 19 billion disposable plastic bags a year, adding 147,000 tons of waste to landfills annually. Somewhere between 1 percent and 5 percent of bags are recycled, the city says, compared with 45 percent of paper bags.

In court Tuesday, however, Mills stressed that the immediate legal question is not whether plastic is better than paper, but only whether the city adequately studied the adverse environmental effects of its ban on plastic.

"I'm hopeful we will win," Mills said after Tuesday's hearing.


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: bagged

1 posted on 01/30/2008 12:43:39 PM PST by SmithL
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: SmithL

I liked the car commercial a couple of years back that starts with a grocery store clerk asking the customer, “Paper? Or plastic?”

Then we see the customer nearly go into brain-lock as he imagines the competing horrors: clear-cut forests...oil-soaked birds...mudslides on barren hillsides...oil refinery coughing up smoke...paper mill effluent going into the river...etc. The tagline was something like “well your decision on what car to buy is a lot easier than that, introducing the Honda Sedan, blah blah”

One thing an engineer learns almost immediately in his career is that everything has tradeoffs. I hope the plastic-bag people get a fair shake.


2 posted on 01/30/2008 12:54:24 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jiggyboy

They’ve got it “in the bag”.........


3 posted on 01/30/2008 12:57:01 PM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: SmithL
the Great Pacific Garbage Patch or the Pacific Trash Vortex — in the Pacific Ocean. The patch is said to be twice the size of Texas.

Urban legend, anyone?

4 posted on 01/30/2008 12:59:15 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TenthAmendmentChampion
Vast Raft of [plastic/latex] Trash
5 posted on 01/30/2008 1:02:35 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: TenthAmendmentChampion

Without going to Snopes’s site, do they say it is true or false?


6 posted on 01/30/2008 1:22:00 PM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: SmithL
outlawing non-biodegradable plastic bags

Everything is biodegradable.

7 posted on 01/30/2008 1:22:07 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SmithL

hmmm, so many choices. Kill a tree or clog a landfill. What to do??


8 posted on 01/30/2008 1:23:00 PM PST by Hoffer Rand
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SmithL

A few months ago I visited Hungary and noticed most stores
charged for a bag and it appeared the majority of the
shoppers brought their own canvas or cloth bags.


9 posted on 01/30/2008 1:28:28 PM PST by kkalman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: weegee

It’s an old urban legend from the 1990s. The Tribune reporterette didn’t do her homework.


10 posted on 01/30/2008 1:30:25 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: SmithL
"Environmentalists are sounding the alarms about a massive vortex of swirling trash, most of it plastic — called the Great Pacific Garbage Patch or the Pacific Trash Vortex — in the Pacific Ocean. The patch is said to be twice the size of Texas.

If true, why no photos?

11 posted on 01/30/2008 1:49:53 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TenthAmendmentChampion
Environmentalists are sounding the alarms about a massive vortex of swirling trash, most of it plastic — called the Great Pacific Garbage Patch or the Pacific Trash Vortex — in the Pacific Ocean. The patch is said to be twice the size of Texas.

Although it's fun to laugh at overboard environmentalists, this swirling pile of trash in the Pacific is pretty disgusting. Somebody cataloged some of it, and it comes from all over the world. Garbage dumped from ships seems to be a huge contributor.

12 posted on 01/30/2008 2:13:02 PM PST by scan59 (Let consumers dictate market policies. Government just gets in the way.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: scan59
If true, why no photos?

They're out there somewhere. I saw something about this on Discovery.

13 posted on 01/30/2008 2:14:30 PM PST by scan59 (Let consumers dictate market policies. Government just gets in the way.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: SmithL
The watermelons have been claiming for years that plastic bags will "despoil" the environment for thousands of years.

In my real world, where I've reused the damned things to store things I want to keep dry in the back yard, they begin disintegrating after a few months, and totally disappear within a year.

Follow the nutcase money...

14 posted on 01/30/2008 2:51:16 PM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: scan59

Forgive me if I remain skeptical about a story that has been debunked on Snopes. David Brower taught the Sierra Club and fellow greenies how to lie, and they have perfected the practice to an art!


15 posted on 01/30/2008 2:56:54 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: TenthAmendmentChampion
The Snopes story was about a giant "reef" of condoms. The trash area is just where the currents have concentrated debris. It's not a round concentrated patch, just a large area.

Anyway, it's not something I'm going to try to "prove." I do believe that people should stop letting plastic bags fly away in the wind and get caught up in the trees and along the shorelines (where they get washed out to sea). On windy days the trees in my neighborhood look like they're flying flags, and the dang things take about six months before they shred enough to blow away.

16 posted on 01/31/2008 6:47:50 AM PST by scan59 (Let consumers dictate market policies. Government just gets in the way.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson