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Police: Oregon panhandlers raking in the green
KAFU-TV ^ | February 3, 2008

Posted on 02/05/2008 6:03:07 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

COOS BAY, Ore. (AP) - A police survey says panhandlers outside a Wal-Mart here can make $300 a day. Inside, it takes a clerk a week to make that much.

Police say people who have a problem with that needn't look to the law--asking for money is considered protected free speech.

"We are not going to target panhandlers," said Coos Bay Police Capt. Rodger Craddock, who spoke a recent gathering of business owners about panhandling. "We can't do that. But if they aren't getting money from us, they aren't going to stand on that corner."

He said most panhandlers are not criminals. "They are nearly as likely to be victims of illegal acts as they are of committing them," he said.

He recalled a panhandler who was hit over the head with a flower pot and had his wallet stolen. The money in it was from welfare.

"Most (panhandlers) have lived here a long time and actually have homes," he said. "This is just their chosen profession."

He said most are docile, and that people should report those who are not.

"They are there for the money and the money is there to feed their addictions," said Bob More, director of housing and emergency services at South Coast Community Action.

He suggested a voucher system involving tickets people could give that are good for a meal or bed in a shelter.

More said some panhandlers have mental illnesses and won't seek help if they are being given money. "These are broken people who will never be able to hold a job," he said. "They need disability payments."

Craddock was asked if telling people to ignore panhandlers hobbled the panhandlers' free speech. He and most of the business owners said they did not.

"We are trying to educate the community that they have a choice," More said. "That's not suppressing their freedom of speech."

Bookstore owner Kate Fox suggested putting placards in store windows discouraging giving money to panhandlers.

"This is about behavior modification," she said.

Mayor Jeff McKeown said at the meeting that it is a balancing act. "We have a responsibility to you business owners, but we also need to be empathetic to people in our community with these problems," he said.


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The left coast is a parallel universe.
1 posted on 02/05/2008 6:03:13 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Parallel to what, is the scary part...


2 posted on 02/05/2008 6:04:26 PM PST by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s appox. 75K a year tax free and no overhead (allowing for two weeks vacation) … Great Job! ;-)


3 posted on 02/05/2008 6:14:10 PM PST by doc1019
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...wait till they start washing your window on your just cleaned car with dirty water and expect a dollar. Then when you refuse, they kick a dent in your hybrid Mommie bus (SUV),or rip off your antenna and hammer across your open double moonview roof like a crazed baboon on crack that you see at animal drive thru’s at safari parks
4 posted on 02/05/2008 6:17:35 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Good for more than just kids.

5 posted on 02/05/2008 6:18:33 PM PST by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I've dealt with maggots like these in Georgetown and Adams Morgan in D.C. before. More proof that no amount of money can buy a human some dignity.


6 posted on 02/05/2008 6:21:18 PM PST by Viking2002 (Waterboarding the Left every chance I get.)
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Some folks don’t want dignity, just spend’n money. ;-)


7 posted on 02/05/2008 6:27:41 PM PST by doc1019
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8 posted on 02/05/2008 6:30:27 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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ome freepers need to pick a few saturdays and go down and panhandle and load the place up. Where clothes like the other panhandlers, and no ID. There will come a point where somebody with significant brains and authority will say, Enough. Just keep panhandling anyway.


9 posted on 02/05/2008 6:31:02 PM PST by healy61
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To: MarineBrat

You can put an eye out with one of those things.


10 posted on 02/05/2008 6:31:38 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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I can’t believe I wrote “where.” Guess I better go panhandle and buy a vowel.


11 posted on 02/05/2008 6:33:30 PM PST by healy61
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When I was 17 I was out of gas coming back from TJ Mexico to OC. My buddy and I Panhandled for 90 Min. We made about $100, we went to Mc Donalds and ate our hearts out. You can make alot of Money begging.
12 posted on 02/05/2008 6:36:50 PM PST by cmsgop ( McCain , Do Not Want.....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

75K a year for holding a sign outside Wally World? Why would they do anything else?


13 posted on 02/05/2008 6:38:01 PM PST by Hugin (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Every dollar donated to panhandlers is a vote begging them to stand in the doorway the next day, week, or month and continue begging. You get what you subsidize.

I wish generous people would just donate to their favorite charity and not vote to encourage panhandlers. Oh well... I can’t make people not be stupid.


14 posted on 02/05/2008 6:39:33 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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“Most (panhandlers) have lived here a long time and actually have homes,” he said. “This is just their chosen profession.”

Paging Sherlock Holmes!

(Disclaimer: not a real person)

15 posted on 02/05/2008 6:46:39 PM PST by dighton
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He said most panhandlers are not criminals. "They are nearly as likely to be victims of illegal acts as they are of committing them," he said.

B.S. - I'd be willing to bet that very few, if any, of them pay income tax on the money that they collect. Therefore, they are criminals. More than likely tax dollars are transfered TO them because they don't have any stated income. So they get thousands out of your and my pocket on top of the $75,000/year that they make asking people for money.

16 posted on 02/05/2008 6:51:42 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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17 posted on 02/05/2008 6:51:50 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Kumbayah and a group hug!


18 posted on 02/05/2008 6:55:48 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If the Sheriff of Knottingham isn’t going to police the beggars making $300 a day then the IRS should. Good enough for Al Capone and Alan Freed, good enough for for Hobo Bob.


19 posted on 02/05/2008 7:20:28 PM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: Graybeard58
You can put an eye out with one of those things.

Mom?!?!? What are you doing here?

Graybeard58

Did the Epilady I sent you break down? :)

20 posted on 02/05/2008 7:26:07 PM PST by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
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