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Casinos and bars want their smokers back
St. Louis Post Dispatch ^ | 02/10/2008 | Kevin McDermott

Posted on 02/09/2008 11:13:57 AM PST by demsux

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Illinois' statewide smoking ban is barely a month old and opponents already are trying to relight the debate.

With the General Assembly scheduled to return to Springfield this week, various Illinois interests — casinos, bars, veterans' organizations — are preparing to push state lawmakers to carve out exceptions for various types of facilities from the sweeping ban that went into effect this year in all indoor public places.

"I'm a dedicated nonsmoker, but the hair on the back of my neck stands up" at some of the freedom-of-choice issues created by the ban, said state Rep. Bill Black, R-Danville, who filed one of the exemption bills. He and others argue the ban is an enforcement nightmare for businesses and is merely angering many of the patrons and employees it was meant to protect. "I still don't think we've seen all the fallout from this."

(Excerpt) Read more at stltoday.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: ban; casinos; nanny; puff; pufflist; smoke
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Nanny State Ping
1 posted on 02/09/2008 11:14:05 AM PST by demsux
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To: Gabz; SheLion

More businesses hurting because of the nanny state.


2 posted on 02/09/2008 11:14:59 AM PST by demsux
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Adjusted gross receipts for the nine operating casinos totaled $131,465,000 in January, according to recently released figures from the Illinois Gaming Board. That’s nearly a 17.5 percent drop compared with the January 2007 total of $159,268,000.

http://www.pjstar.com/stories/020908/REG_BFNVBRBB.045.php


3 posted on 02/09/2008 11:22:40 AM PST by janetjanet998
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To: demsux

More and more I love the smell of tobacco smoke. It smells like... FREEDOM


4 posted on 02/09/2008 11:28:54 AM PST by Lexington Green (Philandeering John Seeks Reconciliation With Cuckolded Conservatives.)
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To: demsux

Brave new world.


5 posted on 02/09/2008 11:32:30 AM PST by YHAOS
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To: demsux
The magic word from the brainless politicians and bureaucrats this season is "change". They're hoping nobody rubs two brain cells together and figures out change can be (and often is) bad as well as good.

Another brainless word is "choice". Absent in this eternal debate is the option and freedom of choice. This element has been preempted by the tiny people who relish controlling other people.
Unless and until they make the production, manufacture and possession of tobacco products a crime, abuse of power under the pretext of "health and welfare" is simply a legalized crime imposed, with apparent impunity, on free citizens.

6 posted on 02/09/2008 11:35:48 AM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: demsux
dang right they haven't seen the fallout yet...

Six months after the smoking ban went into effect in MA, 700+ small bars and restaurants went out of business.

So, in effect at least 700 owners lost their livelihoods (possibly life savings) and if they each employed 2 people then 2,100 people lost their jobs.

Also, isn't there a law that states Congress (trickle down to State legislatures) shall make NO laws that interferes with commerce.

Truly obnoxious how these anti-smoker people have taken their pet peeve and blown it up into a crime given the FACT that 2, 35-year studies - UC-Berkeley and UI-Urbana/Champaign came out in '01 and '02 stating that second hand smoke does NOT effect others.

Just like global warming and global cooling is directly related to the sun... and What does CA try to do? --> tax businesses for carbon credits...

7 posted on 02/09/2008 11:38:20 AM PST by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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To: demsux

Government rescued the workers from the dangers of second hand smoke, but unfortunately for many that rescue will mean facing the reality of unemployment.


8 posted on 02/09/2008 11:40:41 AM PST by Biblebelter (I will NEVER EVER vote for McCain or any other current Senator.)
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To: Publius6961
Well said!
9 posted on 02/09/2008 11:41:22 AM PST by callisto (CONGRESS.SYS corrupted...Re-boot Washington DC (Y/N)?)
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To: demsux
He and others argue the ban is an enforcement nightmare for businesses and is merely angering many of the patrons and employees it was meant to protect.

Twenty percent of people smoke. That's a "few" or "some," not many.

10 posted on 02/09/2008 11:42:04 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Moonman62
I never have smoked and my wife is allergic to smoke, even smoke residue from former smoking in a hotel room.

But, we are both adamant that prohibition of smoking in wrong, people have a right to smoke, even if is unhealthy. Let the affected businesses handle the problem, if there is one.

We’ve got to get these legislation crazy politicians out of of power - they’re killing this nation. The fewer laws the better.

11 posted on 02/09/2008 11:54:04 AM PST by elpadre
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To: demsux; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; elkfersupper; nopardons; metesky; Mears; ...

NANNY STATE PING!!!!!!!!!!!


12 posted on 02/09/2008 11:54:35 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: demsux; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; elkfersupper; nopardons; metesky; Mears; ...

NANNY STATE PING!!!!!!!!!!!


13 posted on 02/09/2008 11:55:22 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Moonman62

I would say that nearly one quarter of your customers is “many.” No one said “most.”


14 posted on 02/09/2008 11:56:45 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: demsux

When I go to Atlantic City (about 3 times a year) I smoked while playing slots. I would say about 1/2 the casino was set aside for smoking or non/smoking. It is the only time I smoke all year - a grand total of about a pack and half. Smoking is no longer allowed and I found that I had less fun and spent more time at the pool, watching a show, and sitting with my husband while he played poker. I can guarantee that the casinos are losing money


15 posted on 02/09/2008 11:57:08 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: Moonman62

Your reading comprehension skills need to be brushed up a bit. The comment was in regard to customers and employees, not the general population.


16 posted on 02/09/2008 12:01:21 PM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: elpadre

How odd - I am allergic to the crap they use in hotel rooms and rental cars to (try) to cover up the smoke smells.

And I don’t mean allergic like “It gives me a headache” - I mean allergic, like dail 911.

Smoke, on the other hand, doesn’t bother me at all.


17 posted on 02/09/2008 12:06:55 PM PST by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: demsux
And “Gamblers” they definitely are.
18 posted on 02/09/2008 12:08:07 PM PST by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: Gabz

Hey, you - no longer ragging on my stories?

That’s it, I quit as your author of record. ;)


19 posted on 02/09/2008 12:09:42 PM PST by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: demsux

If the Legislature truly believes smoking is killing thousands, including infants in the beds, then would they not have an obligation to mitigate this terrible hazard by banning all tobacco products? The utter hypocrisy is that no Legislature is willing to take this logical step because they have a cash cow from cigarette taxes. These “health” arguments are just a screen for raising taxes on smokers.


20 posted on 02/09/2008 12:11:39 PM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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