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Israel's Rising Right Wing
Israel e-news. ^ | February 21, 2008 | Levey, Gregory

Posted on 02/23/2008 9:16:46 PM PST by forkinsocket

One of this year's nominees for Israeli TV's "Man of the Year in Politics" award doesn't speak Hebrew. He has vast wealth and a shady past. He was once a circus worker. He isn't even a politician, at least not yet.

But over the past several years Arcadi Gaydamak, an enigmatic Russian-Israeli billionaire, has managed to become a widely influential figure in Israel. And he is now at the center of a right-wing political alliance - featuring Israeli über-hawk Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu - that could dramatically influence the country's direction. If the rising alliance takes power in the next election, it could push Israel toward military confrontations with Iran, Syria or Hezbollah, while extinguishing any remaining flickers of hope in Israel's peace camp regarding the Palestinians.

Gaydamak has recently been consolidating his influence as a power broker in Israeli politics. He has used his wealth to gain popularity through social and business initiatives, while deftly exploiting the widespread perception of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's government as corrupt and incompetent, particularly during last year's disastrous war in Lebanon. With his financial capital and cunning political tactics, Gaydamak is like a cross between George Soros and Karl Rove, with a streak of Russian oligarchy at his core.

In a country full of colorful political characters, he may be the most colorful. Gaydamak is wanted in France for illegal arms dealing. He is alleged to have ties, through his former arms-dealing partner, to Halliburton and to corporations that donated to President George W. Bush's 2000 campaign. He has Russian, Israeli, French and Canadian citizenship, as well as a diplomatic passport from Angola, on which he reportedly travels in order to avoid arrest. He owns a Jerusalem soccer team with a notoriously racist, anti-Arab fan base. And he is said to be planning a run for mayor of Jerusalem.

But it is in Israeli national politics where Gaydamak may now be a powerful - and, some say, dangerous - force. Along with his new Social Justice Party, formed in July, Gaydamak has allied himself with Benjamin Netanyahu, the Likud Party leader and former prime minister. To this alliance Gaydamak brings his rapidly increasing popularity, especially among Israel's influential Russian population, a growing grass-roots political network, and billions of dollars. Netanyahu brings his credibility as a former prime minister, hawkish bona fides, and resurgent popularity both inside Israel and across the Atlantic, where he enjoys strong support among Washington war hawks and many delegates of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the powerful pro-Israel lobbying group.

The goal of this emerging alliance is to make Netanyahu prime minister once again, which would give Gaydamak direct access to the uppermost echelons of Israeli power. Not only does the alliance have the potential to unseat the centrist leadership governing Israel and replace it with one much further to the right - precisely at a time when Israel may be on the brink of war with Iran - but some observers believe it poses a threat to Israeli democracy itself.

Back in February, Gaydamak openly cast himself as an Israeli kingmaker. He announced that he would back Netanyahu's bid to regain office, declaring, "Any politician that I will support will be the prime minister."

And he may be right, riding a soaring popularity that he has in some ways literally purchased. For example, in 2005 Gaydamak bought Beitar Jerusalem, a wildly popular soccer team, which also happens to have a core of Jewish nationalist fans who regularly chant "Death to Arabs!" at the team's games. During the Israeli war against Hezbollah last year, when the country's leadership was in chaos and the citizenry felt abandoned and vulnerable, Gaydamak stepped in and fashioned himself as a savior. He opened his coffers and set up a tent city on a Mediterranean beach for Israelis fleeing towns in the country's embattled north.

To the south, residents of the Israeli town of Sderot near the Gaza Strip came under constant bombardment by Palestinian rockets, and the Israeli government was not coming to their aid in any substantive way. Gaydamak bused hundreds of Sderot residents to another tent city he had built in a park in Tel Aviv, complete with a stage for entertainment and a mini-amusement park for children. If the government was not going to protect and aid its citizens, Gaydamak seemed to be saying, he himself would.

In doing so, he helped make the Olmert government appear impotent to many Israelis, earning the sitting prime minister's ire, and further establishing himself as a political force to be reckoned with. In August, Gaydamak clashed openly with a parliamentary committee that took issue with his actions during the war, accusing him of acting entirely for political reasons. This year, as his own popularity has continued to rise, Gaydamak has toned down his explicit backing of Netanyahu, but it is still widely believed that he will lend his support to a Netanyahu prime ministerial bid in exchange for greater power.

To his proponents, Gaydamak is simply the natural result of an Israeli establishment that is so wrapped up in corruption and cronyism that it is unable to care for its citizens, let alone advance a peace process with its neighbors or focus on crucial foreign policy problems. Gaydamak is, in this line of thinking, a positive phenomenon, a practical person in a place desperately in need of practical solutions. But some Israeli analysts and governments officials have a darker view. One senior Israeli official, who has served at the highest levels of the policy-making apparatus, told me that he sees the rise of Gaydamak as the terrible byproduct of an already bad situation. "There is a sense among some people," he said, "that democracy just didn't work for us, and we should be like the rest of the Middle East - that we tried democracy and failed. But Gaydamak is something else. He's an oligarch. Don't forget that a lot of his supporters are Russians. They're not really familiar with democracy."

Gaydamak has been quietly building a network of activists across Israel and choosing candidates to represent his party in upcoming elections at all levels. He will personally determine his party's platform, with each candidate meeting the approval of his closest aides. Although he has alluded to running for mayor of Jerusalem, Gaydamak seeks to pull strings in national politics, without putting himself in a vulnerable forward position on his party's ticket.

Some observers have labeled Gaydamak as antidemocratic for this, as well as for his actions abroad. For example, in 2005, for reasons that remain murky, Gaydamak purchased Russia's Moscow News, fired some senior journalists, and changed the paper's mandate to a firmly pro-government one, appointing a pro-Putin journalist as editor in chief. This was widely viewed as hostile to free speech and raised questions about Gaydamak's possible ties to the Kremlin.

Within Israel, according to the senior Israeli official, Gaydamak is preying on a sense among the Israeli population that the way Israeli democracy functions has left large groups disenfranchised and the country as a whole vulnerable to outside attack. And Netanyahu, as a political leader who has long exploited vulnerability and fear to obtain and wield power, may be Gaydamak's perfect complement.

Just two years ago, when former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon left Likud to found the Kadima Party, he took many Likud parliamentarians and much of the party's cachet with him. Netanyahu had to make do with the remnants, a has-been exiled to the political wilderness. But now his fortunes are rising again, with Gaydamak's support and the winds of Israeli political insecurity at his back. In the wake of the Israeli military's failure to defeat Hezbollah last summer, and the takeover of Gaza by Hamas, the hopefulness of the Sharon government is long gone. And many in Israel are now anxiously looking rightward again, back at the Likud, and to Netanyahu himself.

There are even recent reports that several members of Olmert's own party have been receptive to feelers from Netanyahu, who might be trying to lure Olmert supporters back to Likud. Among the general Israeli populace, Netanyahu enjoys the highest poll ratings of any politician, and many point to him as the next prime minister.

That would be a welcome development for Israel's most hawkish proponents in the United States. Netanyahu is a favorite among those in Washington promoting hard-line Israeli policies, including a bellicose policy toward Iran. In March, while in town for the annual AIPAC conference in Washington, Netanyahu met privately with Vice President Dick Cheney at the White House, where they reportedly discussed stepping up pressure on Iran, with an eye toward military options.

One American defense industry lobbyist with strong ties to Israel told me around then that he thought Netanyahu was "absolutely awesome," and that many of his colleagues were equally staunch supporters.

Another Washington lobbyist involved in Middle East affairs told me recently that although AIPAC officially declines to endorse one Israeli politician over another, some of its activists "certainly do." Indeed, when I reported for Salon from the AIPAC conference, many AIPAC delegates were outspoken fans of Netanyahu. Dozens of them told me that he was their preferred Israeli leader, and although Netanyahu wasn't officially on the program of events for the conference, when word went around that he would be doing a closed-door briefing for select delegates, it set off a vigorous scramble to gain access to him. AIPAC is careful not to overtly interfere in Israeli politics, but it is quite clear to even a casual observer that Netanyahu's sensibilities are closely aligned with those of many in the organization, and that much of its membership would like to see Netanyahu running Israel.

But not everyone feels that way in Israel, where Netanyahu is known not only as a fierce hawk but also as an unabashed opportunist. Although Israeli politics can be a blood sport, Netanyahu has drawn criticism, like Gaydamak, for maneuvers seen by some as antidemocratic. In 2005, Netanyahu used the planned withdrawal from the Gaza Strip as a pretense to attempt a putsch against then-Prime Minister Sharon and install himself as prime minister. At the time, one official in the prime minister's office told me that if Netanyahu succeeded he was considering resigning from the office, as were some of his colleagues. "The problem," the official said, "is not only that Netanyahu is right wing but that he is also reckless."

Indeed, some of Netanyahu's statements and actions have been explosive, even by the standards of Israeli politics. Back in 2003 he drew sharp criticism -- and, from certain segments of the Israeli electorate, great praise -- for saying that the nation's own population of Arab-Israeli citizens represented a "demographic threat." More recently, referring to the nuclear standoff with Iran, he has repeatedly said that "we're in 1939," referring to the imminent aggression of Hitler's Germany, and he has all but stated outright that an American or Israeli attack on Iran will soon be warranted.

When Netanyahu was prime minister from 1996 to 1999, his coalition shared power with more moderate Israeli factions, which constrained him from pursuing the more extreme elements of his agenda. His alliance with Gaydamak, however, may obviate the need for that sort of compromise, because of both Gaydamak's money and rising political support.

The timing of the next Israeli elections is uncertain, but with a weak Olmert government and a volatile political landscape, they could be called as early as next year. A new ruling coalition is formed when the leader of the party with the most seats in the Knesset is able to assemble a grouping of parties with seats totaling more than 60.

A recent poll showed that Gaydamak's Social Justice Party would win eight seats in an election, only two fewer than the ruling Kadima Party would now win. Netanyahu's Likud Party is consistently polling at 20 seats or better. Gaydamak's and Netanyahu's parties taken together, with 28 or more seats, would be an almost unbeatable bloc. (When Kadima took power in 2006, it had 29 seats.) A few other parties would then be needed to form a ruling coalition, which would likely be in the Gaydamak-Netanyahu alliance's grasp: Many in Israel's religious parties are fans of Netanyahu, and they would bring their seats over to him.

He would also draw support from right-wing secular leaders such as the ultra-hawkish Avigdor Lieberman, a former chief of staff for Netanyahu, who heads the openly racist party Yisrael Beiteinu. Lieberman has called for the "transfer" of some of Israel's Arab citizens out of the country, has suggested bombing Palestinians' civilian infrastructure in the occupied territories, and has even argued openly for bombing Tehran. If such additional elements were to join forces with Gaydamak and Netanyahu, it could create the most right-wing Israeli government in decades.

Netanyahu's apparent willingness to ally himself with powerful fringe figures like Gaydamak was perhaps predictable. A former senior Israeli official, who served in various capacities in the government for more than 20 years and interacted with Netanyahu on numerous occasions, told me some time ago that she had no doubt that Netanyahu would happily work with whoever could help him gain and keep power. "He doesn't have any real principles," she said. A former Netanyahu aide echoed this sentiment: "The only thing that's important to him is becoming prime minister, whatever the sacrifice."

If Netanyahu succeeds with Gaydamak in his corner, that sacrifice may include wider regional war and perhaps even the erosion of democracy in Israel.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arkadygaydamak; gaydamak; israel; netanyahu; rightwing
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1 posted on 02/23/2008 9:16:47 PM PST by forkinsocket
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To: forkinsocket

I’m no expert on Israeli politics, but this article read like something out of the Atlanta Journal Constitution. Is this particular news source a left-wing rag?


2 posted on 02/23/2008 9:33:59 PM PST by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: Bishop_Malachi

Yes, I believe so.


3 posted on 02/23/2008 9:46:29 PM PST by forkinsocket
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To: Bishop_Malachi
Is this particular news source a left-wing rag?

Funny isn't it. I don't know a thing about politics in Israel, and I came to the same conclusion. Lefties all smell, I mean sound, the same.

4 posted on 02/23/2008 9:55:48 PM PST by NurdlyPeon (New tag line in progress.)
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To: forkinsocket

This article displays the same characteristics as the NY Times hit piece on McCain - innuendo, character assassination, and guilt by association, without proof of anything illegal or improper.


5 posted on 02/23/2008 10:01:21 PM PST by MainFrame65 (The US Senate: World's greatest PREVARICATIVE body!)
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To: forkinsocket

http://www.israelenews.com/view.asp?ID=1168

Do you think Iran should face a military strike to halt it`s nuclear programme?
 
Yes. By an international coalition only.

31 Votes 16.76%
 
Yes. By Israel alone if necessary.

79 Votes 42.70%
 
No. I favour sanctions.

4 Votes 2.16%
 
No. I favour dialogue with Iran

26 Votes 14.05%
 
No. The cost is too high as an attack would be a temporary solution only.

14 Votes 7.57%
 
No. It is inevitable that Iran will go nuclear.

31 Votes 16.76%
 
Total Votes Cast 185


6 posted on 02/23/2008 10:24:52 PM PST by Peelod (I do renounce Hillary! and all her pomps and works.)
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To: MainFrame65

They managed to throw Hallliburton in there. I guess that makes him a major league crook. Sarcasm on


7 posted on 02/23/2008 10:31:03 PM PST by freedomrings69
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To: forkinsocket
"...featuring Israeli über-hawk Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu - that could dramatically influence the country's direction. If the rising alliance takes power in the next election, it could push Israel toward military confrontations with Iran, Syria or Hezbollah, while extinguishing any remaining flickers of hope in Israel's peace camp regarding the Palestinians."

Well, we have 'blame America firsters', I guess Israel has 'blame Israel firsters'. Israels confrontations with Iran, Syria and Hezballah are all caused by the existence of Israel. So, unless Israel wants to negotiate its existence, it'll have confrontations with Iran, Syria and Hezballah. To blame this on Israel is insane.

Bibi Netanyahu simply recognizes this reality and rejects the leftwinger's fantasy politics of "peace".

It's better for Israel, for the US, for Europe, indeed for the entire world, including the Iranian people, for the Mullahs to be stopped before they get the bomb, rather than afterward.

To dismiss this as "rightwing" is dishonest and stupid.

8 posted on 02/24/2008 5:52:24 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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I was wondering, 'who writes this stuff?'. Here's the bio on the author:

Gregory Levey served as the Israeli Government's Speechwriter and one of its delegates at the United Nations, and then went on to serve as Senior Foreign Communications Coordinator and English Speechwriter for Prime Ministers Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert. He is on the faculty of Ryerson University in Toronto.

A prolific writer, he has contributed to a variety of mainstream American, Canadian and Israeli publications. He has also published short fiction in several literary journals and in an anthology of fiction.

Levey's plays have been staged at Harvard University and the University of Western Ontario, and a short film he co-wrote, The Unfortunate Truth About Life, was screened at numerous film festivals. He appears on Canadian TV and U.S. radio, as a commentator on Israel and the Middle East.

Shut Up, I'm Talking, his book about his experiences in the Israeli Government, will be published in 2008.

On the plus side, he wrote for Ariel Sharon. On the negative side, his plays have been staged at Harvard. He writes commentary, like he's writing a play. Not a good combo.

9 posted on 02/24/2008 6:05:28 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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No matter who writes what, it is interesting to learn who drives public opinion in Israel. If this Gaydamak fellow increases his power in Israel we might get more and more stories like this one: Israel: Divorce America, Marry Russia . Maybe the FreeRepublic pro Putin/KGB supporters will show up on this thread and tell us how great Gaydamak is because he supports Putin's Armies of Christendom.
10 posted on 02/24/2008 6:41:19 AM PST by Sawdring
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11 posted on 02/24/2008 7:47:45 AM PST by SJackson (If 45 million children had lived, they'd be defending America, filling jobs, paying SS-Z. Miller)
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Oh my god, he has ties to Halliburton? He donated to Bush-Hitler? It's Lucifer, the leftist Israeli peaceniks found Lucifer! Surely Israel isn't lurching right because they lost an incompetent war and Arab enemies beat on them daily with impunity, oh no, it is all a vast right wing conspiracy of --- wait for it --- those pesky Jooos!!!
12 posted on 02/24/2008 7:52:02 AM PST by JasonC
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Please remove my name fro this ping list.

Thank you.


13 posted on 02/24/2008 8:05:46 AM PST by Turret Gunner A20 (If global warming gets any worse we'll all freeze to death.)
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To: JasonC; forkinsocket

This article is written in the way that makes me want to defend the guy, even if I otherwise would not. What a hatchet job!

Gaydamak filled the gaping hole left by Israeli government unpreparedness in the wake of the Hezbollah war. He supplied shelter and necessities, out of his pocket, to people left without support in the northern Israel. Did he have a political calculation in mind while doing this? Who cares! He was the only one doing it. I trust an invisible hand of self-interest much more than any do-gooder who uses Halliburton as a slur.


14 posted on 02/24/2008 12:34:53 PM PST by Tolik
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To: forkinsocket
Arkadi Gaydamak is hated by the Israeli Left because he's a successful businessman and second he has done more for average Israelis as an individual than the corrupt and incompetent government that runs the country. He's showing Israel's branja that the private sector can do more for Jews than the government of the state. And they don't like it - or his popularity one bit.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

15 posted on 02/24/2008 12:48:28 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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Yes, its an Israeli Left newsletter. Its slant is clear. The people who write this kind of stuff are the natural ruling class in Israel and have been since the pre-state days first under Mapai then the Alignment and finally the Labor Party. The bulk of Israel's journalists, bureaucrats, academics and cultural and political figures along with the IDF, police and security services hierarchy belong to this class - which goes under the name branja. They are an ever shrinking share of the Israeli electorate but they control the levers of power in the Jewish State.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

16 posted on 02/24/2008 12:54:58 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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And here I thought the levers of power in Israel were in voting booths.

Just throw the appeasing idiots out on their ears, give Bibi a majority, and watch out. This isn't rocket science, people. The people of Israel are getting the weak leadership they voted for.

17 posted on 02/24/2008 1:05:10 PM PST by JasonC
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Arcadi Gaydamak

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Arcadi Aleksandrovich Gaydamak, (Hebrew: ארקדי אלכסנדרוביץ' גאידמק‎; Russian: Аркадий Александрович Гайдамак; born 1952 in Moscow, USSR) is an Israeli billionaire businessman. Gaydamak is also a French citizen, having lived mainly in France from 1973 until his return to Israel in 2000. He possesses Canadian and Angolan passports and has travelled, in the past, in the capacity of a representative of the government of Angola. He was awarded the Order of the Legion of Honour by the French Republic. His son Alexandre Gaydamak is also a businessman and owner of Portsmouth F.C. in England. In February 2007 he announced the establishment of an Israeli social movement, Social Justice,[1] which became a political party in July 2007.[2]

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[edit] Biography

Arcadi Gaydamak was born in 1952 in Moscow, the capital of the former USSR. At the age of 20, Gaydamak was one of the first Jews to emigrate to Israel from Leonid Brezhnev's Soviet Union and receive Israeli citizenship. He lived in Kibbutz Beit HaShita, learned Hebrew at an Ulpan, enlisted in the Israeli military and was drafted to the Israeli Navy. After his military service, he was employed by the Israeli national shipping company ZIM, and disembarked from one of its ships in France in 1973. He lived in France until the age of 48 and returned to Israel in 2000, where he owns three homes.

[edit] Career

After Gaydamak settled in France, lacking an academic education, he began his early career working as a gardener and a bricklayer. In 1976, Gaydamak opened a translation bureau near Paris, servicing Russian commercial delegations visiting France and made contacts at a number of French companies. By 1982, Gaydamak Translations was a highly successful business, and he opened a branch in Canada. During that period he commenced international business, in import and export. After the collapse of the USSR, he built up ties in Russia and Kazakhstan to further his business and sequentially formed various business organizations across Europe. Gaydamak's wealth is currently estimated at between $700 million and $4 billion.

He was awarded with several honorary rewards from the French government, including the prestigious Order of the Legion of Honour for obtaining the release of two French pilots from the Bosnian Serb government during the War in Bosnia.

During the 1990s, Gaydamak made significant donations to Jewish and Israeli causes, including the Association for the Welfare of Soldiers in Israel.

[edit] Angolagate

Gaydamak left France after many years, after an international arrest warrant was issued for him in connection with Angolagate, an arms-dealing scandal. He is wanted on two charges; illegal arms dealing with Angola, and tax evasion. France has unsuccessfully attempted to obtain his extradition from Israel, but this has been declined by the Israeli judiciary on the grounds that the factual allegations could not be considered as an offence under the laws of the extraditing country (in this case, Israel) at the time that they were allegedly committed, this being an international prerequisite of extradition, and that other alleged offences, such as fiscal ones, are not extraditionable by nature.

Donations

Gaydamak has donated to many Israeli organizations, of which many are charity and have religious characteristics. He has donated to Magen David Adom, Hatzolah and many others.

Gaydamak also pledged $50 million to the Jewish Agency for Israel, but withdrew the offer when the Jewish Agency was warned about money laundering allegations. He ended up donating $10 million.

During the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict Gaydamak constructed a tent-village on the beach of Nitzanim, that hosted thousands of families who fled the rocket ridden North and had otherwise no place and means to go to. Gaydamak's contributions totaled $15 million (about $500,000 a day) and earned him considerable praise among some Israelis, although they were viewed by others as a populist act.

In November 2006, he funded a one-week long vacation in Eilat for hundreds of Sderot residents, who have been under constant Palestinian rocket attack for the past seven years.[4].

[edit] Politics

On February 20, 2007 Gaydamak announced he would found a party based solely on socio-economic issues. The next day he announced its name, Social Justice.[5]

Although Gaydamak has said the organisation would initially be established as a social movement, he noted that it could become a political party at any time, "based on the circumstances." In the past he has stated that the movement does not seek ultimate power for itself, but will run in tandem with Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud, hoping to pick up votes from former Likud members alienated by Netanyahu's financial policies. It is not clear, in early 2008, how relevant that statement is, given that Gaydamak's policies on territorial issues and on the conflict with the Palestinians appears to be more moderate than those of Netanyahu's Likud (which is the right-wing rump of the historic Likud, left over after the 2006 split with Ariel Sharon's Kadima).

Gaydamak believes the party could win 25 seats in the next elections. However, he apparently does not wish to take a seat in the Knesset, preferring to run for Mayor of Jerusalem. In May 2007 he announced that he would run for this position in the October 2008 municipal elections. In late 2007 it became apparent that the party intended to run candidates for mayor and council members in tens of Israeli municipalities and local authorities in the 2008 municipal elections.[6] Gaydamak commands considerable popularity in the Israeli development towns, such as Sderot, in Israeli-Arab, Bedouin and Druze towns and villages and in the Haredi communities,[1] to all of whom he has contributed considerably over the years.

Gaydamak's politics are out-reach, encompassing very differing segments of Israeli society. This is uncommon in Israel party politics, which tend to be sectoral by nature, whether or not this characteristic is acknowledged by each party.

18 posted on 02/24/2008 1:10:56 PM PST by dennisw (Never bet on a false prophet! <<<||||>>> Never bet on Islam!)
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19 posted on 02/24/2008 1:12:29 PM PST by dennisw (Never bet on a false prophet! <<<||||>>> Never bet on Islam!)
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