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This has some lib angles I don't care for but the problem is there and ready to hit us just about any time.

Skip over the global warming crap it's the population projections that are interesting.

The numbers may not be exact but give a world with rising population and finite oil to use this IS going to happen mainly because we are not building a butload of nuclear power plants now.

1 posted on 02/24/2008 1:41:08 PM PST by ScratInTheHat
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...the problem is there and ready to hit us just about any time.

Piffle.

2 posted on 02/24/2008 1:43:43 PM PST by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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“As we all know but are sometimes reluctant to contemplate, oil is a finite, non-renewable resource. “

we don’t all know this, in fact, it has never been proven. it is only conjecture. there have been many articles posted on this forum that theorize that oil is being continuously produced in the earth’s crust.

that oil is a product of ancient animal or plant life has never been proven.

this is right up there with Global Warming in theories that have been repeated so many times they have become a mantra.


3 posted on 02/24/2008 1:51:58 PM PST by kralcmot (my tagline died with Terri)
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It’s the donkey in the room, in my opinion. Hillary and Obama ought to propose banning procreation.


4 posted on 02/24/2008 1:52:05 PM PST by Brilliant
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A major concern around 1900 was that, given the rapid increases in population, by the end of the century, our cities would be buried in horse manure from the increased need for transportation. I consider both ‘peak oil’ and ‘global warming’ as posing similar levels of a threat.


5 posted on 02/24/2008 1:52:51 PM PST by Bob
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“As we all know but are sometimes reluctant to contemplate, oil is a finite, non-renewable resource.”

Is this slam-dunk or subject to debate?


6 posted on 02/24/2008 1:53:38 PM PST by bukkdems (Muslims, not rednecks, marry first cousins. http://www.consang.net/index.php/Global_prevalence)
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Without US price supports from the federal government, Sugar Cane = $40 per barrel oil.

...problem solved.


7 posted on 02/24/2008 1:58:20 PM PST by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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oil is a finite, non-renewable resource.

The more I hear this the more I wonder. Even if true, when you add the oil shale and other recoverable deposits and coal that can be converted we have a 500+ year supply.

Oil costs, but at the moment those costs are artificially inflated by producers suppressing supply and taxation of use by world governments.

Were this truely the 'crisis' they claim we would have alternatives being offered daily. Not the government subsidy supported media-hyped but never get to market BS we hear about now, but real on the shelf buy it now stuff.

The market will sort out what will and will not work, IF we ever allow it to happen.

8 posted on 02/24/2008 1:59:58 PM PST by kAcknor ("A pistol! Are you expecting trouble sir?" "No miss, were I expecting trouble I'd have a rifle.")
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Did Paul Ehrlich write this crap?


9 posted on 02/24/2008 2:00:42 PM PST by xjcsa (I hated McCain before hating McCain was cool.)
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There are dozens of bits of technology that contribute the the high carrying capacity of the world, and there are a few natural bits as well.

Corn yields have gone from 20 bu/ac to 140 bu/ac in the last 80 years.

Soybean 13 to 40
Wheat 15 to 40

If there is an event that disrupts the supply of hybrid seed grain, the yields will drop right back down to the levels of the 1930s, and so will the population.

A bad summer — volcanic ash clouds or a meteorite, or just a plain old bad summer.

A blight.

Social disorder (”Mexican” uprising in the USA)

Trade war.

Plague.

And so on. . . .

10 posted on 02/24/2008 2:00:52 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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Peak Oil, Carrying Capacity and Overshoot: Population, the Elephant in the Room

Translation:

The Leftists' Stock and Trade.

12 posted on 02/24/2008 2:03:15 PM PST by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. I quite enjoy it, actually.)
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As petroleum becomes harder to obtain, that inaccessibility is signalled to the world at large by a slow rise in price over the period of several decades. People adjust, companies adjust, they choose different tecnologies, they invest in different technologies. They order their lives differently, where to live, how to get around, how many kids to have, at what age to have them. Companies make decisions about where to locate their operations, what kind of equipment to buy, and they do all of this amazingly (or not) without anyone having to tell them what to do.

As the relative price of one form of energy becomes cheaper than another, groups of investors pool their money and go after the opportunity. You don’t have to tell them to do it.

All you have to do is get out of their way.

Look back at how much you made when gasoline was a buck a gallon, and compare it to what you make now. Probably gasoline is about the same relative price, or cheaper. What matters is the relative price and as prices vary in relation to one another, you make decisions about your life accordingly. No one has to tell you anything, you figure it out, and the means of communication is the price.


13 posted on 02/24/2008 2:03:55 PM PST by marron
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Some valid points are mixed in with a lot of wishful thinking. This is peak oil now. This is what peak oil is like.

Nuclear power is also a peak type of resource, as is coal. Even renewable resources can be peak type.

The peak does not mean that the system will crash at the very time it is at maximum production.


14 posted on 02/24/2008 2:07:18 PM PST by RightWhale (Clam down! avoid ataque de nervosa)
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The world is probably quite capable of "carrying" many more people than we have today, but it won't have to. World population is going to start to decline very soon.
19 posted on 02/24/2008 2:16:58 PM PST by TheMole
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Energy independence now. We ignore this situation or drag our feet at our peril.


21 posted on 02/24/2008 2:18:42 PM PST by mysterio
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"As we all know but are sometimes reluctant to contemplate, oil is a finite, non-renewable resource."

This is one of the biggest lies ever told.

There has never been a year in my life where our proven oil reserves has failed to increase. Meanwhile the scaremongers keep screaming that the sky is falling. Oil is not a fossil fuel, and the earth is making more than we are using.

Can we move on to some intelligent discussion?

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23 posted on 02/24/2008 2:21:07 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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The part about oil being finite is also crap. Petroleum in the ground is methane based and will replenish itself. This may not happen on our timetable quickly enough to keep a steady supply coming out of the ground, but it will replenish itself.
The first time I heard this was 15 years ago from a good friend who is a retired Chevron research scientist. Oil did not get into the ground via the dead dinosaur line of crap they taught us all in school. They didn’t know how it got there so they came up with the fossil fuel theory and taught it as fact. That theory has since been proven to be totally inaccurate.
They have found hydrocarbons, the basis of oil, on the moons of other planets. There is methane there but there ain’t no dead dinosaurs.
26 posted on 02/24/2008 2:31:44 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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The sky is falling again.......


29 posted on 02/24/2008 2:44:08 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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Just remember that the current population of the earth could fit into an area the size of Texas - 35 people to an acre. That would leave the entire rest of the earth unpopulated. Our population could multiple many, many times before critical mass is reached. Would lifestyles have to change? Of course. But all any of us really needs is a warm place during the winter and food to eat. Those things come pretty cheaply - a sustainable forest and arable land.


34 posted on 02/24/2008 3:02:38 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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>oil is a finite, non-renewable resource<

Well, let’s start by not accepting this premise.

Then we’ll move on, if you don’t mind, and reject any assertions that point in the direction of the need for “population control”.


39 posted on 02/24/2008 3:15:36 PM PST by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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And just how long will it take to build that amount of nuclear plants?

And how long will the uranium mines last?


47 posted on 02/24/2008 5:36:24 PM PST by tubaplayer
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