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CCRKBA Suggests Investigation of Ammunition Coding Campaign
PRNewswire-USNewswire ^ | 2008-02-25 | Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms

Posted on 03/01/2008 9:23:47 AM PST by neverdem

BELLEVUE, Wash., Feb. 25 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms today is calling on lawmakers in the states of Washington, Arizona, New York, Illinois, Hawaii and several other states to scrutinize legislation that would require ammunition coding, because it mandates a soul source monopoly for a Seattle-based company that owns the technology.

Based on a story in the new edition of Gun Week, and a look at virtually identical legislation that has been introduced in several states, CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb said there are serious questions that need to be addressed about these measures, and the effort to pass them into law.

"Sponsors of bills that would require coding of cartridge casings and bullets in their respective states have neglected to mention that there is only one company in the country with the technology, and that company has been working with a 'hired-gun' consulting firm that offers its help to lawmakers drafting the legislation," Gottlieb said. "Essentially, you have state legislators working as promoters for a company called Ammunition Coding System, pushing measures in at least ten states that would mandate the use of this proprietary technology at the expense of gun owners.

"Even if the technology were licensed to various ammunition manufacturers," he continued, "it still puts one company in a monopoly position. On its own website, the company even acknowledges that legislation would be required to implement what many gun owners believe is a back-door gun registry, by forcing dealers to keep records on who purchases ammunition.

"Creating a technology, and applying for a patent while hiring a consulting firm to push legislation that requires this technology is horribly self-serving," Gottlieb added. "The fact that in every state these measures are being pushed, the sponsors are anti-gun lawmakers, simply adds to the suspicion.

"Giving one company a legislated monopoly in any other area would bring down a media firestorm," Gottlieb stated. "The government would never allow it. State senators, representatives or assemblymen who get involved with this effort should ask themselves just what it's worth to essentially be lobbyists for a monopoly."

With more than 650,000 members and supporters nationwide, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (http://www.ccrkba.org/) is one of the nation's premier gun rights organizations. As a non-profit organization, the Citizens Committee is dedicated to preserving firearms freedoms through active lobbying of elected officials and facilitating grass-roots organization of gun rights activists in local communities throughout the United States.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: Hawaii; US: Illinois; US: New York; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: alangottlieb; ammocoding; ammunitioncoding; banglisst; banglist; ccrkba; ravensforgellc; russelhford; stevemace
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1 posted on 03/01/2008 9:23:50 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE
3 posted on 03/01/2008 9:28:58 AM PST by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of out-thinking our adversaries?)
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To: neverdem

[. . .mandates a soul source monopoly. . .]

If it’s a “soul source” it should be located in Motown.


4 posted on 03/01/2008 9:32:05 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: Travis McGee; Joe Brower; El Gato; Squantos; Eaker; Jeff Head; Myrddin; Billthedrill; ...

A back door registration scheme deserves redundant pings.


5 posted on 03/01/2008 9:35:39 AM PST by neverdem (I have to hope for a brokered GOP Convention. It can't get any worse.)
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To: neverdem

Look into NAIS chips for ALL out critters- Same problem- Verichip has the technology that has been “approved”.
Already heard that horses that have been chipped are having nerve damage in their necks. Won’t do it to mine.


6 posted on 03/01/2008 9:38:00 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: neverdem

Weak defense. This is akin to saying, “I’m OK with the execution, but would like a choice in who pulls the lever”...


7 posted on 03/01/2008 9:57:58 AM PST by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: neverdem
Politicians taking bribes and kickbacks to push some legislation?

Surely not in MY America!

course, is hasn't been mine for a very long time.

8 posted on 03/01/2008 10:00:09 AM PST by ASOC (I may not look like much, but I raised a United States Marine!)
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To: neverdem

Very interesting.

The company that holds the patent....Ravensforge LLC is located in the same building, same subsection as Ammunition Coding Systems.

Russell Ford and Steven Mace are listed as the inventors.

Russell Ford was recent on Cam and Company.
Steven Mace is a moderator at The Guns Network LLC.


9 posted on 03/01/2008 10:06:55 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: JackRyanCIA

Gee, I would be willing to bet that coded ammo will blow just as big of a hole in a traitor as uncoded ammo.

I betcha a buck it will.


10 posted on 03/01/2008 10:24:00 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: neverdem

These fascists must be stopped. Our children’s future is at stake.

Everyone needs to donate to the PRO 2nd organization of your choice and raise HELL with your reps about this.


11 posted on 03/01/2008 10:40:17 AM PST by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: neverdem

Mr Xerox had the same problem...


12 posted on 03/01/2008 10:51:00 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
The Mississippi Senate Black Liberal Democrats put forth a bill, 2286, that would require this label on all ammunition in the state of Mississippi. It would also make possession of any ammunition that wasn’t labeled illegal and a felony by 2010. Corinth Senator Eric Powell was one of the co-authors of the bill, a union member from the papermill in Counce, Tennessee.
13 posted on 03/01/2008 10:58:54 AM PST by vetvetdoug (Just when one thinks life is strange, it gets stranger.)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
14 posted on 03/01/2008 11:02:22 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Dead animals rot from within.


15 posted on 03/01/2008 11:41:37 AM PST by B4Ranch ("In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." FDR)
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To: neverdem

Redundancy is the keyword in these times, buddy.


16 posted on 03/01/2008 11:45:57 AM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: neverdem

Has CCRKBA done anything other than just talk?


17 posted on 03/01/2008 11:52:17 AM PST by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: rockrr

I use revolvers. They don’t routinely eject shell casings.

Having said that, if you use common designs such as 1911 pistols, there are wonderful drop in barrels to get around the registered barrel.

Criminals don’t register. Legally to require them to do so would be self incrimination. If criminals obeyed the law, they wouldn’t be criminals, rather they would be lawyers or politicians.


18 posted on 03/01/2008 12:24:35 PM PST by donmeaker (You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you.)
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To: vetvetdoug
Thanks Doug. I wasn’t aware of that. I know quite a few people at the mill. Most are pro-gun types.

I looked this up on the legislature’s site and it says the bill “died in committee” Feb. 19. It will probably be revived at some point.

19 posted on 03/01/2008 12:26:58 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: donmeaker

“I use revolvers. They don’t routinely eject shell casings.”


Discussions of the bills that I have seen include the inscription of the identifying number on the *base* of each bullet.

This is in part, banning by economics. If you increase the cost of each .22 cartridge from 3 cents to 13 cents, it will cut down on a lot of training time and instruction of children.

It will have virtually no effect on crime, but, hey, that was never the main objective.


20 posted on 03/01/2008 1:06:43 PM PST by marktwain
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