Islam intrinsically violent - convert (baptized by Pope at Vigil Mass)

Herald Sun ^ | March 23, 2008

[John Leland 1789]

“This is just silly and incorrect. If it weren’t for the translations of St.Jerome and the authority of the Catholic Church, the Protestants and non-denominationals wouldn’t have had a basis from which to alter the Bible they now read daily.”

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Silly and incorrect.

There were copies of the New Testament Books coming out of Antioch of Syria (the Acts 13 Antioch) and the Byzantine region soon after the Apostles’ work, that were never under the clutches of anything you might believe was Catholicism. These texts, copied by common but able believers, went principally in a northwest direction and on up into Europe.

Yeah, yeah, I know that the RCC teaches that all churches were at one time Catholic, and the beginning of the Catholic Church was Matthew 16:18, and all that jazz. None of that is either historically or biblically correct.

It’ very easy to find the Reformers kind remarks about other Catholics, becuse they were Catholic. Just as Calvin thoughtAugustine was the cat’s pajamas.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Magdi Cristiano Allam is a changed soul, a brave man and hero, no matter what happens to him in the next days, years or decades. Much joy to him.

For I am persuaded
that neither death, nor life,
nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers,
nor things present, nor things to come,
nor height, nor depth,
nor any other creature,
shall be able to separate us from the love of God,
which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

[PeterFinn]

My point is that he who casts the first stone should not be surprised when stones get cast back at him. Let the muslims forswear world conquest and let them embrace peace and then there will be peace. Nothing we do will ever bring about peace with them unless we surrender to them.

[John Leland 1789]

“If you didn’t find the Gospel of Christ in Christ’s Church, well, I don’t know what to say.”

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Yes, that was the conclusion I came to, Catholics don’t know what to say about the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

I came to learn that the Gospel is right in the Bible. And when I trusted the finished work of Christ as all sufficient for the salvation of my soul, and Christ put me into His Church. I am in Christ’s Church (1 Corinthians 12:12,13; Ephesians 1:17-23; etc.)

[Pyro7480]

Yes, that was the conclusion I came to, Catholics don’t know what to say about the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Then you defame millions of Catholics.

[DieHard the Hunter]

> Then you defame millions of Catholics.

Mate, I am convinced that he is being offensive on purpose, for reasons known only to him. Possibly for attention, possibly because there are no cartoons for him to watch, and just possibly to be obnoxious: like the teenage brat who thinks it’s fun to gobble down a large tin of baked beans and fart loudly in a crowded elevator, all day.

If the latter — and I suspect it is that — nothing less than a cork jammed in a strategic place will make him stop.

Whatever you do, don’t light-up, or he stands the risk of becoming The Human Bottle Rocket — then he’ll get lots of attention indeed, which is the other thing he probably craves.

That would be fun for a while — until he upsets enough people to get Zotted. Which raises another possible explanation: perhaps he is a Troll.

One way or another he is proving himself to be a tiresome bore and I don’t intend reading his Catholic-bashing drivel anymore.

In life there is nothing so droll as one whose sole ambition is to strive to be a Bore.

It may be free speech but it offends even me. And I ain’t even a Catholic. So I am going to exercise my right to ignore anything further from him, and rejoice in the good news that was otherwise communicated in by this thread.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I love your style and your Freepin' Personal Page. And I especially love your good-will.

I think those who belong to Christ are recognized by this, that they give you the hand of fellowship and try to live by the Commandments, including the one most violated in these forums --- the one about not bearing false witness against a neighbor.

I'll ping you over from time to time when I want the pleasure of hearing from a fair-minded man.

And concerning some of our bottle-rocket brethren--- well, see my tagline.

[aristotleman]

ok

[John Leland 1789]

I am simply putting out a challenge to Catholics themselves. Whereas over my 52 years, many people, I’m sure concerned about my soul (for which I have been grateful) have handed me a piece of literature, and/or deliberately approached me hoping to present the Gospel of Jesus Christ to me, not one has been a member of the Roman Catholic Church.

If a Roman Catholic adherent, therefore, uses the phrase, “Gospel of Jesus Christ,” I am curious about the definition a Roman Catholic might give me.

Why would a Roman Catholic ever be upset about a non-Catholic insisting on some precise definition. Can any Roman Catholic define the “Gospel of Jesus Christ” to me in, say, half a page?

[John Leland 1789]

(JL) “Yes, that was the conclusion I came to, Catholics don’t know what to say about the Gospel of Jesus Christ. “

(Pyro7480) “Then you defame millions of Catholics.”

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Stating from my observation and experience (that no Roman Catholic has ever taken the time to approach me personally to tell me how to be saved from sin and enjoy God and go to Heaven), that Roman Catholics don’t know what to say about the Gospel of Jesus Christ is DEFAMATION ????? Defamation of what?

[John Leland 1789]

If an individual wants to be saved from his sins by the Blood atonement of Jesus Christ, live as a Christian and enjoy Heaven in the future, is that possible without joining the Roman Catholic Church? How would official Roman Catholic dogma answer my question? I mean really -— no fluff merely to make me like the Roman Catholic Church.

If a non-Catholic does not want to join the RCC or observe the RCC’s regimen of sacraments, does official Roman Catholic dogma allow that such a one may still be received by the Father of Jesus Christ, through Christ?

If one can not see how bread can literally become flesh by some pronouncement of a priest, and wine become blood, and so will not accept that doctrine, can such a one still be saved and enjoy God and His Heaven?

Does the Roman Catholic Church, in its official dogma, insist that salvation of the soul is through the Roman Catholic Church (or some element therein/thereof)?

I am interested to know REALLY, HONESTLY, the official position and see it stated. I am not interested in recent soft remarks made recently to me suggesting (I believe in error) that the “Church can recognize the ‘sacraments’ of other churches, etc.” In error, Unless the statement was was made in reference to some special dispensation the Vatican has made with regard to, say, the Coptics, the Eastern Orthodox Catholics, and other such.

I still believe that nothing in Roman Catholic dogma has changed in essence since Trent. I still believe, from all I can find to read, that the Roman Catholic Church still must officially deny that no-one who does not recognize a supreme authority for the RCC can not be saved, and are actually still accursed in the OFFICIAL eyes of the RCC.

And I don't believe I am exaggerating at all.

[John Leland 1789]

If Magdi Allam would have converted to Christianity by professing his faith in Christ in a Presbyterian Church in Italy (there are some, I'm sure), or in a Methodist Church (there must be some there), would this have received the same kind of attention? I mean, Why particularly the RCC?

[DieHard the Hunter]

> If an individual wants to be saved from his sins by (snip!)

Hippocleides cares not!

[John Leland 1789]

“Hippocleides cares not!”

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But now don’t risk giving the impression that the average Roman Catholic church member is uncaring (about the souls of their neighbors) rather than being ignorant of how to present the Gospel to their neighbors.

[DieHard the Hunter]

> If Magdi Allam would have converted to (snip!)

History tells us how to deal with such a situation as this. My favorite antient historian is Herodotus, a secular writer who wrote of events in and around the middle east and the Mediterranean long ago.

Reading from his Lost Histories, starting at Book 77.1:

77.1 It being clear that the boring nuisance had paid no attention to the words of Hippocleides lo, his wrath was stirred in his loins mightily.

77.2 But, as he remained in polite company and, as there was a merrie band of minstrels playing in celebration of this great day of religious celebration, Hippoleides opted to give no further occasion to the bore by religious argument, but rather to rejoin the merriment.

77.3 And so it was that Hippocleides son of Nestor did lie on his back on a table and, plugging both ears with his fingers and kicking his legs inanely in the air, did spin round and round in time to the musick, and did begin the first few of the many thousands of verses of the "I Don't Care" Ode.

77.4 Well did the son of Nestor know that the "I Don't Care" Ode is not to be sung, save only for marauding bands of wandering Jehovah Witness druids, or chanting hordes of Code Pink cultees who doth protest too much, or flatulent bores at otherwise-congenial cocktail parties.

77.5 Passed on from father to son by secret means since the Great Pyramid was first laid by his Freemason ancestors, the Ode was the last refuge of all men of goodwill, when all other attempts at civility and reason had failed and the field of logick was in need of abandonment.

77.6 And, having first warned the Bore that "Hippocleides cares not!", so it was that mighty Hippocleides son of Nestor did raise his voice in song and did recite the Ode, a few verses of which are reproduced below:

CHORUS:
LA LA LA
LA LA LA
LA LA LA
LA LA LA

I DON'T CARE
I DON'T CARE
IF YOU'RE WEARING
UNDERWEAR
'COS I DON'T CARE

CHORUS

I DON'T CARE
DON'T YOU SEE
YOUR WORDS DO NOT
BOTHER ME
'COS I DON'T CARE

CHORUS

I DON'T CARE
GLAD YOU ASKED
I DON'T GIVE A
BL--DY BLAST
'COS I DON'T CARE

CHORUS

I DON'T CARE
NO ONE DOES
WHEN YOU TALK I
HEAR A BUZZ
'COS I DON'T CARE

CHORUS

I DON'T CARE
NOT ONE BIT
i JUST DO NOT
GIVE A @%$!
'COS I DON'T CARE

CHORUS

I DON'T CARE
IT IS MOOT
I JUST DO NOT
CARE ONE HOOT
'COS I DON'T CARE

CHORUS

I DON'T CARE
WHAT YOU SAY
WHY DON'T YOU JUST
GO AWAY
'COS I DON'T CARE

CHORUS

I AM RIGHT
YOU ARE WRONG
THAT IS WHY YOU
GET THIS SONG
'COS I DON'T CARE

CHORUS

YOU STILL HERE?
B*GGER ME!
YOU DON'T GET IT
OBVIOUSLY
'COS I DON'T CARE

CHORUS

AIN'T YOU LEFT?
CRIKEY MATE
I CAN GO ON
'TIL IT'S LATE
'COS I DON'T CARE

CHORUS

STILL NOT GONE?
'STREWTH 'TIS TRUE!
DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THE
MATTER WITH YOU
AND I DON'T CARE

CHORUS

YOU'RE A BORE
YOU'RE A CHORE
TALK SOME MORE
'TIL YOUR THROAT GETS SORE
AND I WON'T CARE
CHORUS

WHY DON'T YOU
BOIL YOUR HEAD
THANKS FOR HI-JACK
-KING THIS THREAD
I STILL DON'T CARE

CHORUS

(Translator's note: according to legend the words of Hippocleides son of Nestor did continue along these lines for six days and seven nights, during which time the bore did try, on many occasions, to re-insinuate himself into discourse. But cunning Hippocleides did know that eventually even the most accomplished bore doth, too, himself get bored eventually, and so did he continue even unto the beginning of the seventh day.

The Board of Editors, for the sake of brevity in this the Abridged Edition of the Lost Histories, has decided that, as the full text is merely of interest to a very few number of Scholars, it would be prudent to end this, the 77th book, at this point: noting for the reader's attention that the words of Hippocleides continued along these lines for many days.

For a complete examination of all the words to the "I Don't Care" Ode, refer Anderson, MacDonnel, Cawston and Pulaski, "I Don't Care Ode, a Definitive Work", Volumes I-MCXLDVII, Vatican Library Press)

[DieHard the Hunter]

> But now don’t risk giving the impression that the (snip!)

LA LA LA
LA LA LA
LA LA LA
LA LA LA

(Hippocleides is not Catholic. Hippocleides cannot hear you. And Hippocleides still cares not!)

[DieHard the Hunter]

Thankyou for your kind words!

> I think those who belong to Christ are recognized by this, that they give you the hand of fellowship and try to live by the Commandments, including the one most violated in these forums -— the one about not bearing false witness against a neighbor.

I agree with you on that. I don’t understand why some folk go out of their way either to insult or convert other folk on the FRee Republic to their way of religion. It’s spooky and it’s rude.

This was a great thread until it got hijacked.

> I’ll ping you over from time to time when I want the pleasure of hearing from a fair-minded man.

(grin!) Thanks, I will look forward to that!

> And concerning some of our bottle-rocket brethren-— well, see my tagline.

(big grin!)

[DieHard the Hunter]

> Can any Roman Catholic define the “Gospel of Jesus Christ” to me in, say, half a page?

Hippocleides cares not! For as we ALL know, the Gospel is “the Good News of the Name of God and the Kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ”, and you will hear plenty of both in any Catholic church. Why waste half a page on mindless debate, when there are even more verses to the “I Don’t Care” Ode yet to be sung?

CHORUS:

LA LA LA
LA LA LA
LA LA LA
LA AL LA

WE DON’T CARE
TELL YA MATE
WHY DON’T YOU EE-
-VAP-POR-RATE
‘COS WE DON’T CARE

CHORUS

WE DON’T CARE
IT’S A SIN
COUNTING ANGELS
ON A PIN
WE JUST DON’T CARE

CHORUS

WE CAN GO ON
ALL NITE LONG
WITH THIS NEVER
ENDING SONG
I JUST DON’T CARE

CHORUS

HYPPOCLEIDES
NESTOR’S SON
WILL SING UNTIL
THE SETTING SUN
WITH VERSE TO SPARE

CHORUS

THRU THE NITE
THRU THE DAY
I’LL SING ‘TIL
YOU GO AWAY
I DON’T CARE

CHORUS...