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To: Twink

Innocent looking game sites are often prone to spreading viruses.


197 posted on 03/24/2008 7:27:38 PM PDT by Eaker (2 Thessalonians 3:10 “... He that will not work, neither should he eat.”)
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As explained by Professor Volokh, here are the facts surrounding this incident. The facts that libertine Declan McCullagh of San Francisco doesn't want you to know about. (Yeah, he's the guy spreading the fear-mongering about the Hyper-Links.)

Consider the facts of the case described in Declan's story. (Warning: The facts are graphic.) An undercover FBI logged in to a now-defunct message board hosted in Russia called "Ranchi," which the agent knew to be used for distributing images of child pornography. The agent posted a message, "here is one of my favs — 4yo hc with dad (toddler, some oral, some anal) — supercute! Haven't seen her on the board before" with links to URLS that appeared to host a file named "4yosuck". The links ended up being to an FBI computer that didn't host anything criminal, but the FBI computer collected the IP addresses of the people who clicked on the link. When the IP address resolved to an ISP in the U.S., the FBI obtained the home address associated with the account and then raided the house for the computer and any child pornography stored inside the house. Did the government's affidavit create probable cause? I would need to look at the entire affidavit to know for sure, but just based on these basic facts I would think the case for probable cause is likely to be pretty good. I assume the FBI did not in any way broadcast their IP address or host anything on that computer, and that the link came in soon after the message was posted, so it seems likely that the only incoming web traffic request would be from a link other than from the message board. And given the context, this seems like an unlikely link that someone might come across by accident. To be sure, it's possible to imagine scenarios involving innocent links or some other break in the connection between the home and the possible evidence (unsecured wireless connections, for example), but my sense is that this would still likely create probable cause (again, a call hard to make without seeing the whole affidavit, just something that is likely). Nor is there a case for entrapment at trial on these facts. For a defendant to have an entrapment defense, the government needs to pressure him to commit the crime in some way. Here there was no significant pressure; the government created and advertised the opportunity but did not excessively push the defendant to click on the link. Does this mean that the government could send you spam with apparent links to child pornography, and that if you clicked on the link the government could raid your home? No, I don't think so. In the case of spam in an inbox, a person might click on a link by mistake or out of curiosity as to what the file may be without actually knowing or expecting it to be child porn. That seems significantly less likely in the case of a link on a message board such as the one in this case. Second, a spam e-mail is unlikely to be as clearly labeled as the image in this case. What tends to make the case for probable cause in the case Declan described is the likelihood in context that a person who clicked on the link was actually looking for images of child pornography. If you change the context, you change the strength of the case for probable cause.

Here are portions of the FBI affidavit in this case. The libertines will not post all of it, because it conclusively shows that the pervs were dead wrong here, but here is a small portion of the affidavit.


200 posted on 03/24/2008 8:02:21 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: Eaker

But I don’t do game computer things either.

Seriously, I suck at all things computer. Even games. I did one computer game, a helicopter game and I did pretty good at that one, but I don’t click on things.

I have gone to sites about certain tv shows but that’s about it. And the helicopter game. And I always immediately delete emails from people I don’t know.

My husband said he had to go outside of our normal virus protection to fix it (whatever that means). Took him days and he’s computer smart, EE, etc. My computer was slow to stop, seriously. Freezing all the time. It was awful. thought we had to trash the computer.

And, I can barely do board games competently. I wouldn;t attempt them on the computer (except that helicopter game).


204 posted on 03/24/2008 8:24:44 PM PDT by Twink
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