Winter-Soldier Again: But maybe this time, the press will be less credulous

National Review Online ^ | March 31, 2008 | Mackubin Thomas Owens

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An organization calling itself Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) convened a conference in Silver Spring, Maryland, entitled Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan — Eyewitness Accounts of the Occupations, this month. Modeling itself on the 1971 Winter Soldier Investigation (WSI), which provided the text for John Kerry’s infamous testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee later that year, the event claimed to “feature testimony from U.S. veterans who served in [the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan], giving an accurate account of what is really happening day in and day out, on the ground.” But in the immortal words of Yogi Berra, it was like déjà vu all over again.

Then . . .
Those who suffered through my many National Review Online and National Review pieces on John Kerry and alleged atrocities in Vietnam during the election year of 2004 — a series that began, by the way, in January, long before anyone had ever heard of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth — will recall that the 1971 Winter Soldier Investigation (WSI) was organized by “the usual suspects” among antiwar celebrities, e.g. Jane Fonda, Dick Gregory, and Kennedy-assassination conspiracy theorist Mark Lane. During the course of the proceedings, individuals purporting to be Vietnam veterans recounted horrible stories of atrocities: using prisoners for target practice, throwing them out of helicopters, cutting off the ears of dead Viet Cong soldiers, burning villages, and gang-raping women as a matter of course.

My assessment of the WSI and Kerry’s use of it to advance his political career was, shall we say, negative. Based on my own research and that of others, I concluded that at least some of the WSI witnesses were imposters, and that many of those who were not imposters nonetheless recounted stories that they were in no position to observe. On the very useful Winter Soldier internet site, Scott Swett, co-author (with Tim Ziegler) of To Set the Record Straight: How Swift Boat Veterans, POWs, and the New Media Defeated John Kerry, offers additional evidence to discredit the 1971 WSI. He provides access to the U.S. Army’s Criminal Investigative Division’s (CID) investigations of the allegations made by WSI witnesses, which if true, would have qualified as crimes. CID opened criminal investigations into the claims of 43 WSI witnesses, which were eventually resolved as follows: “25 WSI participants refused to cooperate, 13 provided information but failed to support the allegations, and five could not be located. No criminal charges were filed as a result of any of the investigations.”

As I pointed out in several of my NRO pieces, the experience of the Naval Investigate Service (NIS, now Naval Criminal Investigative Service, NCIS) examining the claims made by Marines at the Detroit event was identical. When NIS attempted to interview the witnesses, most refused to cooperate, even after assurances that they would not be questioned about atrocities they may have committed personally. Those that did cooperate never provided details of actual crimes to investigators. The NIS also discovered that some of the most grisly testimony was given by fake witnesses who had appropriated the names of real Vietnam veterans.

. . . And Now
Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan (WSI II) repeats the pattern of the 1971 WSI:

o vague charges, lacking specific details and the supporting evidence that real investigations require to ascertain the truth;

o mischaracterizing as atrocities or war crimes events occuring during the conduct of combat operations that, while disturbing or tragic, are still legal and moral, e.g. the events in Hadithah two years ago — the fact is that not every bad thing that happens in war is an atrocity;

o descriptions of events that, if they did in fact occur, should have been reported up the chain of command, but were not; and

o “witnesses” of questionable veracity.

The big difference between then and now is that in 1971, far too few members of the press or the public were predisposed to question the claims of the WSI witnesses. My Lai had recently burst upon the American public, contributing to the belief that atrocities were widespread in Vietnam. The WSI and Kerry’s testimony seemed to merely confirm what a cynical press and a war-weary public had been primed to believe.

By the time the truth became known — that while atrocities took place in Vietnam, as in all wars, they were far from widespread — the perception that they were ubiquitous was firmly established in popular culture. While the record is now being corrected, it is analogous to the situation in which a sensational, scurrilous charge appears as front-page news, while the retraction is later buried deep in the newspaper.

While many in the press are still predisposed to believe the worst about the American solider, claims of “supporting the troops” notwithstanding, today’s GI in Iraq and Afghanistan can rely on those who suffered through the post-Vietnam War era — assisted by the internet and the blogosphere — to give them the benefit of the doubt, and to hold accountable those who make outrageous claims about their conduct. This is the biggest difference between now and 1971. For instance, the blog site Obiter Dictum put together a useful “Reporters’ Guide” for WSI II that reveals some interesting facts about IVAW. For example, in spite of the organizations name, a large percentage of its members have not in fact deployed to either Iraq or Afghanistan. The resource draws attention to the questionable veracity of some IVAW members — the infamous Jesse MacBeth and IVAW co-founder Jimmy Massy to name only a couple.

Jonn Lilyea, a blogger who attended the festivities (and provides a useful summary of the proceedings here) demonstrates that as in 1971, many of the “witnesses” during the WSI II event were REMFs who recounted stories often based on rumor, but not on first-hand observation. As the late Harry Summer once remarked, the more grisly the atrocity story, the further removed from the battlefield the storyteller most likely was.

Let us stipulate that war sucks, but context matters, and those who cover it have to know what questions to ask when confronted by sensational claims. The press failed to do precisely this in the wake of Vietnam. Will it be better this time around? I don’t know, but at least some members of the press seem to attempt fairness.

For instance, in late February, I was contacted by a reporter from the Syracuse Post-Standard who wanted to interview me about the upcoming WSI II. I tried to impress upon him the importance of taking the sort of statements he was likely to hear at WSI II with a substantial grain of salt. It was important, I stressed, for reporters covering this story to “dig deep,” asking for details and ensuring that those making the claims were credible.

I told him that the Vietnam generation of journalists who bought the WSI political theater hook, line, and sinker, had merely enabled the dissemination of political propaganda and were complicit in defaming a generation of decent men, most of whom did their duty in Vietnam with honor and restraint. I told him how Jug Burkett had done what journalists should have been doing — asking for documentation and insisting on details — when he unmasked numerous phony Vietnam “veterans,” as recounted in Stolen Valor. I told him that if reporters were truly interested in the truth, they should do what Burkett did: get the name and service number of every one who testified during the WSI II, use the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) to gain access to their real records, and then check to see if that individual was in a position to have committed or witnessed atrocities.

I haven’t seen much in the way of mainstream reporting on the WSI II event, so I can’t yet tell if today’s reporters are less credulous than their Vietnam-era predecessors. I can only hope they are.

[Interesting Times]

A solid overview of the WSII propaganda event and some of the efforts to counter it with facts and demands for actual evidence.

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WSII flopperoo ping...

[MinuteGal]

Thanks for keeping us updated, IT.

Leni

[E.G.C.]

BTTT

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[GreyFriar]

Thanks for the post.

[Little Bill]

An interesting thing about memory. In 1968 the 4/9TH got ambushed North of Hoc Mon and took a lot of hurt.

For years I thought it took place in December of 1967, it wasn't a rumor, I was in the hospital with guys that were there, it wasn't until thirty years later that I read the after action report and I was corrected.

[calcowgirl]

Bump to a big Flop! Good work!

[Cicero]

I suspect that a lot of leftist reporters would go ahead and publish this propaganda as factual, if they were not aware that the patriotic blogosphere might as a result succeed in destroying their careers.

Dan Rather lost his job. Hillary clinton can no longer spread verifiable lies and order the evidence to be buried. Editors have been publicly embarrassed and are unlikely to want to repeat the experience.

Who wants to become famous for a juicy atrocity story, and then get shot down by hundreds of bloggers for failing to check the most elementary facts, or even for lying?

[Doctor Raoul]

This was actually Winter Soldier 2.1 because the Vietnam Veterans Against the War already staged Winter Soldier 2 in Boston on Oct 7-8-9, 1971 in Faneuli Hall.

IVAW = VVAW Puppets

[Lancey Howard]

Winter-Soldier Again: But maybe this time, the press will be less credulous

Credulity has nothing to do with it. All that matters is if it fits the Democrat press's agenda.

[BubbaBasher]

For those that want to learn more, pick up a copy of To Set The record Straight.

[tet68]

I was actually contacted by the “Vietnam War Crimes Tribunal” which was held at Ga.State University, in the 70s to testify. I told them I would be glad to testify about VC atrocities......they told me they weren’t interested in that. Don’t call us, we’ll call you etc.etc.

Hahahah slime. John Kerry still owes us. Jengis Khan my butt.

[Interesting Times]

This was actually Winter Soldier 2.1 because the Vietnam Veterans Against the War already staged Winter Soldier 2 in Boston on Oct 7-8-9, 1971 in Faneuli Hall.

Now there is a little-known factoid.

Perhaps the leftists might have considered a few other permutations? Winter Soldier Returns. Son of Winter Soldier. Winter Soldier in Space. Winter Soldier Meets Billy the Kid. Winter Soldier Versus Mothra.

How about Harry Potter-type title? Winter Soldier and the Vanishing Atrocities.

[Interesting Times]

I suspect that a lot of leftist reporters would go ahead and publish this propaganda as factual, if they were not aware that the patriotic blogosphere might as a result succeed in destroying their careers.

A number of us went to considerable lengths to suggest precisely that, via the Reporter's Guide and other methods. The dearth of fawning WSII coverage by the old media (which the leftists have been whining about most energetically) may well have been the payoff.

[Interesting Times]

Credulity has nothing to do with it. All that matters is if it fits the Democrat press's agenda.

Not entirely.

There's also the desire not to be exposed and ridiculed as a lying shill.

[neverdem]

BTTT!

[Syncro]

Thanks for the heads up. Quoted from your book:

CID opened criminal investigations into the claims of 43 WSI witnesses, which were eventually resolved as follows: “25 WSI participants refused to cooperate, 13 provided information but failed to support the allegations, and five could not be located. No criminal charges were filed as a result of any of the investigations"

Well, you and Tim shined the light and lifted the veil but will the blind see?

Ya hav'ta believe in miracles

Thanks for pinging me to this stuff Scott.

This guy's on his game.

[Interesting Times]

This guy's on his game.

That is generally the case. Dr. Owens' January 2004 article on Kerry and the VVAW was a key reason I decided to start digging into the topic - an effort that resulted in WinterSoldier.com.

[Interesting Times]

For those that want to learn more, pick up a copy of To Set The record Straight.

A fine suggestion, and one that I heartily endorse.