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1 posted on 04/09/2008 6:50:07 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot
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Ping!


2 posted on 04/09/2008 6:50:30 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are doom and gloomers, union members and liberals so bad at math?)
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Cue the “Aw Jeez” guy. :)


3 posted on 04/09/2008 6:52:23 AM PDT by jdm
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Thanks for posting this.


4 posted on 04/09/2008 6:55:01 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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So we’re still all gonna die, right?


5 posted on 04/09/2008 6:58:19 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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I read here on FR that JPM got $30 billion in free money hot off the Federal Reserve’s printing presses. Who to believe?


7 posted on 04/09/2008 7:05:37 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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Any government loan guarantee is a bailout.

This is true because of the fact that any time a private entity needs a government loan guarantee, it means it cannot get a loan from the private sector. Of course, the main reason for a private entity not being able to get a loan in the private sector is because the private sector doesn't believe the entity is capable of paying back the loan (in a perfect world, at least).

Bear Stearns should have been allowed to collapse. The short-term economic pain would have been far less than the long-term economic pain we will now be enduring because we've decided to take the Soviet approach to bailing out failing companies.

8 posted on 04/09/2008 7:07:10 AM PDT by pnh102
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It’s a semantic quibble. They bailed out the bond-holders, not the shareholders.


19 posted on 04/09/2008 7:46:51 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might)
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I knew you guys would shill for this. Shouldn't Bear Stearns have been allowed to go under? That would be the "free market" solution.

Personally, I believe you only support those principles insofar as they make you money. But if you can make money from the government jumping in here and there, that's fine and dandy. lol
38 posted on 04/09/2008 8:29:22 AM PDT by mysterio
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One bank. Billions in loans. Two dollars. . .plus tip.
57 posted on 04/09/2008 9:01:18 AM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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The simple answer is: yes.


60 posted on 04/09/2008 9:02:44 AM PDT by bvw
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“Did the Fed “Bail Out” Bear Stearns?”

Of course not.
The Fed attempted to bail out the US financial system.

Bear was taken out back and shot in the head.

The Fed is trying to keep the system liquid. They forgot this minor detail in 1929 and things didn't work out so good.
As a result, we ended up with Roosevelt, the New Deal and the welfare state.

68 posted on 04/09/2008 9:08:22 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("We have to drain the swamp" George Bush, September 2001)
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It is important to recognize that this sum does not represent the face value of these securities, which is far higher than $29 billion

The securities have no "face value". They previously had a higher market value, now have a lower market value, have a model value based on cash flows and expected defaults. But never had a "face value".

72 posted on 04/09/2008 9:10:08 AM PDT by palmer
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This reminds me of the old adage: no matter how thinly you slice it, it’s still baloney.

In answer to the question posed by the article, yes the Fed did bail out BSC. The typical bailout scenario is loan guarantees. I don’t recall a situation where the Federal government actually used direct payments to effect a bailout. Loan guarantees are what happened with the Chrysler bailout as well. Which, by the way, turned a nice profit for the U.S. Treasury.

But whether a bailout is ultimately profitable is not the point. The government has no place in acting as the insurer of last resort for ill advised investment strategies. The problem is that by acting in that role, you encourage future ill advised behavior.

To me, this article smacks of propaganda. The message being that this notorious example of corporate welfare in action wasn’t reallllly corporate welfare. I guess when $30 billion dollars is on the table, you can afford the services of a PR flack.


104 posted on 04/09/2008 11:21:11 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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Interesting that posters come out of the woodwork to favorably spin this deal whenever it comes up. Makes you wonder at times how many paid bloggers are working FR.


108 posted on 04/09/2008 11:37:00 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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