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Sun's Movement Through Milky Way... Comets Hurtling...Life Extinctions
Science Daily ^ | 5-2-2008 | Cardiff University

Posted on 05/02/2008 8:53:50 AM PDT by blam

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To: GourmetDan

sigh... If you read the trail of posts, you’ll figure out why I invoked the term.


61 posted on 05/02/2008 3:01:02 PM PDT by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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To: Huber
"sigh... If you read the trail of posts, you’ll figure out why I invoked the term."

I did read the chain of posts and you correctly invoked the term but incorrectly concluded that the article was 'science'.

The article is scientism under definitions 1 & 2.

You are arguing the article was not scientism under one part of definition #3.

sci·en·tism –noun

1. the style, assumptions, techniques, practices, etc., typifying or regarded as typifying scientists.

2. the belief that the assumptions, methods of research, etc., of the physical and biological sciences are equally appropriate and essential to all other disciplines, including the humanities and the social sciences.

3. scientific or pseudoscientific language.

sigh...

62 posted on 05/02/2008 3:26:34 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: onedoug
Imagine your head is Earth and semi-circle your hand from one side to the other. If it wasn’t rotating you’d see each side with 1/4 rotation.

Yup. I was wrong about the moon not rotating.
63 posted on 05/02/2008 3:32:11 PM PDT by fr_freak (So foul a sky clears not without a storm.)
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To: GourmetDan

Can you provide a citation for your definition of scientism?


64 posted on 05/02/2008 4:30:30 PM PDT by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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To: GourmetDan

You apparently have a comprehension problem. Reread the thread until you understand. Optional: read a few books on General Relativity.


65 posted on 05/02/2008 6:23:36 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: blam
As we pass through the densest part of the plane, gravitational forces from the surrounding giant gas and dust clouds dislodge comets from their paths. The comets plunge into the solar system, some of them colliding with the earth.

Well, I dunno about all that. It just may be that the sun drags us through hostile areas of the galaxy where abideth many objects with which to play bumper planets.

"...and shows a mechanism by which life can be dispersed on a galactic scale."

HOR$E$HIT! But I guess they couldn't pass up the opportunity to suggest a hypothetical that scores points within the scientific community™.

66 posted on 05/02/2008 8:15:46 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: Hatteras

Ha! Nice one, I loved that album when I was growing up. It was one of my parents’ best “long car trip” tapes. :)


67 posted on 05/02/2008 9:07:37 PM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (Obama hates you.)
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To: blam; SunkenCiv
The scientists suggest the impact may have thrown debris containing micro-organisms out into space and across the universe.

Centre director Professor Chandra Wickramasinghe said: "This is a seminal paper which places the comet-life interaction on a firm basis, and shows a mechanism by which life can be dispersed on a galactic scale."

Aw shucks, they left out my favorite word: PANSPERMIA!

68 posted on 05/02/2008 9:12:07 PM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (Obama hates you.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Where you dreaming when you wrote that? ;)


69 posted on 05/02/2008 9:13:10 PM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (Obama hates you.)
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To: To Hell With Poverty

Uh-oh, forgot to add “panspermia” to the keywords.

You’re probably right, I must have been half asleep, I screwed up a word.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2010555/posts?page=7#7


70 posted on 05/02/2008 9:30:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Monday, April 28, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv
No no, the question wasn't about "panspermia", it was a reference to post #24! ;')

"Forgive me if it goes astray"... ;')

71 posted on 05/02/2008 9:51:47 PM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (Obama hates you.)
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To: To Hell With Poverty

:’) to save time, I was answering them simultaneously.

Since people use sunblock for the sun, maybe we need some cometblock...


72 posted on 05/02/2008 10:25:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Monday, April 28, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv

Polar shift.

In the utube clip, he said that part of the affect was possibly polar shift of the planet.

Some say the poles shift every 10-15K years due to other natural causes such as increased (uneven) weight at the poles when things get cooler around here.

Topsy turvy place, huh?

And of course, BOTH events are either “very close” or “overdue”.

I’ll save Laz the trouble, WE ALL GONNA DIE!!!


73 posted on 05/03/2008 2:27:59 PM PDT by FrogMom
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To: FrogMom
Some say the poles shift every 10-15K years due to other natural causes such as increased (uneven) weight at the poles when things get cooler around here.
Flem-Ath (modifying Hapgood) sez that the ice caps get loaded up unevenly, and it results in a "crustal displacement", hmm, every 40K(?) years. :')
74 posted on 05/03/2008 9:44:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Monday, April 28, 2008)
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To: 17th Miss Regt; blam; All

What we need to do is put more money into tracking Near Earth Objects (NEOs), especially in the southern hemisphere where there are far fewer amateur astronomers tracking these things. It would not have to be hugely expensive. Just getting the appropriate small telescopes out to interested science/education groups in a coordinated sky surveying program. Then if something big is getting too close, we might have enough advance notice to actually do something useful about it.


75 posted on 05/04/2008 7:34:24 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin
...we might have enough advance notice to actually do something useful about it.

Put such a program under the auspices of the UN. Then we will have enough notice and still not do anything useful to avert the catastrophe. (/gratuitous swipe at UN).

76 posted on 05/04/2008 4:27:51 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Huber
"Can you provide a citation for your definition of scientism? "

dictionary.com

77 posted on 05/04/2008 5:19:35 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: PreciousLiberty
"You apparently have a comprehension problem. Reread the thread until you understand. Optional: read a few books on General Relativity."

I did. Apparently you didn't.

“Can we formulate physical laws so that they are valid for all CS [coordinate systems], not only those moving uniformly, but also those moving quite arbitrarily, relative to each other? […] The struggle, so violent in the early days of science, between the views of Ptolemy and Copernicus would then be quite meaningless. Either CS could be used with equal justification. The two sentences: “the sun is at rest and the earth moves” or “the sun moves and the earth is at rest” would simply mean two different conventions concerning two different CS.”

Einstein, A. and Infeld, L. (1938) The Evolution of Physics (New-York: Simon and Schuster), 1961.

“The relation of the two pictures [geocentricity and heliocentricity] is reduced to a mere coordinate transformation and it is the main tenet of the Einstein theory that any two ways of looking at the world which are related to each other by a coordinate transformation are entirely equivalent from a physical point of view.... Today we cannot say that the Copernican theory is ‘right’ and the Ptolemaic theory ‘wrong’ in any meaningful physical sense.”

Hoyle, Fred. Nicolaus Copernicus. London: Heinemann Educational Books Ltd., 1973.

Another uninformed relativist. No surprise.

78 posted on 05/04/2008 5:27:23 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan

Thank you. In this instance, I’d have to say that a better definition actually can be found on (believe it or not) Wikepedia

“The term scientism can be used as a neutral term to describe the view that natural science has authority over all other interpretations of life, such as philosophical, religious, mythical, spiritual, or humanistic explanations, and over other fields of inquiry, such as the social sciences. It also can imply a criticism of a perceived misapplication or misuse of the authority of science in either of two directions:

1. The term is often used as a pejorative to indicate the improper usage of science or scientific claims. In this sense, the charge of scientism often is used as a counter-argument to appeals to scientific authority in contexts where science might not apply, such as when the topic is perceived to be beyond the scope of scientific inquiry.
2. The term is also used to pejoratively refer to “the belief that the methods of natural science, or the categories and things recognized in natural science, form the only proper elements in any philosophical or other inquiry,” with a concomitant “elimination of the psychological dimensions of experience”. It thus expresses a position critical of (at least the more extreme expressions of) positivism. (Compare: scientific imperialism.)”


79 posted on 05/04/2008 7:48:05 PM PDT by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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To: GourmetDan

Ah, but the nuances come later. You are aware that there are differences between being locked in an accelerating spaceship, and being in a gravitational field, I’m sure. Similar issues occur with rotating reference frames.

As a practical matter, it takes a lot less energy to rotate an object, than to rotate the entire universe around it.


80 posted on 05/05/2008 5:06:54 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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