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To: socialismisinsidious

That is not remotely what witnesses have reported to date.

The man had his hands in is pockets... they may have told him to show his hands, may not, I don’t know.. but the gun was not pulled until the dog was set upon him, and as of yet no report has been made that the man threatened any human with the gun after it was pulled, only that he shot a dog that was set upon him.

If police believed this guy was the suspect and armed, I’m sure at least one cop if not more had a gun pointed at him before the dog was released. To sick the dog on him, and force the escalation of the situation is questionable at best. Any reasonable person seeing a dog coming at them is going to likely defend themselves, survival instinct. To expect someone to just “take an attack” because some cop ordered it is insane.

I am not defending the suspect and saying he was in complete compliance with the officers, he may not have been, but by whats been reported so far, your argument seems inane.

I don’t care if you have 4 cops with guns pointing at you.. you send in a dog in attack mode, it is an unrealistic expectation that any human being should take the attack without defending themself. Survival instinct is what it is.

We’ll see what comes out of this, but what it sounds like so far is an investigation is in order, and it will be conducted.


58 posted on 05/07/2008 6:53:01 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

( am not defending the suspect and saying he was in complete compliance with the officers, he may not have been, but by whats been reported so far, your argument seems inane.)

Whats been reported? A one sided story from the suspects family, who wasn’t even there! I’m sure there will be an audio recording of the whole situation, giving a better idea as to what happen. Wait for the investigation to be completed.


63 posted on 05/07/2008 6:59:42 AM PDT by Graycliff (Long haired freaky people, need not apply.)
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To: HamiltonJay
your argument seems inane.

What argument is that? The one where I said if you pull a gun and shoot in the direction of a police officer then you are going to be shot(and rightly so)?

Would you make the same assumption if you were the cop (the assumption that the nice young man wasn't going to shoot at you next)? Sure why not. It's only your life and hey it was probably just instinct on the nice young man's part.

As you said: there will be an investigation and time will tell.
71 posted on 05/07/2008 7:09:28 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: HamiltonJay
This is what some of the prisoners at Abu Ghraib were claiming ~ that the guards sent dogs to attack them while they were chained up.

Then we had guards admitting to such behavior.

Did some of those guys get jobs with Pittsburgh's police force? They'll hire just anybody these days ~ that city's on a death spiral.

103 posted on 05/07/2008 7:45:29 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: HamiltonJay

What if the cop came at him with a tazer? It seems if I read of a tazer death about once a week nowadays. Hear of any deaths from police dog attacks?


135 posted on 05/07/2008 8:24:28 AM PDT by Green Mountain Man (Vermont Mountain Man)
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To: HamiltonJay
Did you read the whole article? According to it:

Harper said the dog's handler and another officer, both in uniform, were driving on Arlington Avenue in a marked police car to respond to a report of shots fired when they spotted Justin Jackson. They stopped because they believed he was carrying a gun, the chief said.

"The suspect had his hand under his shirt. When the officer told him to show his hand, (Jackson) pulled out a gun," Harper said.

"The officer deployed his dog, and the dog did what it was trained to do. The dog was fatally wounded by the subject, and the officer fatally wounded the subject."


195 posted on 05/07/2008 3:00:58 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: HamiltonJay

You seem to be forgetting that this is FR, where rights are those things that only some people have.

I’m sure that if a FReeper had pulled his gun on an attacking dog, shooting it dead, the incident would have been hailed as a great armed-citizen self-defense move. But the knee-jerkers don’t want to even wait to find out if the dead man was given warning, etc., before passing judgement against him.


214 posted on 05/07/2008 4:25:26 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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