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To: Verginius Rufus

Apparently they take it as fact that lots of seniors were confused by the butterfly ballot, when no evidence was ever presented that that had happened.
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I’ll state it again here just for those that are not familiar with how the dems “vote” in south florida...

Please remember that Janet Reno came to Bill Clintons attention because she jailed 2 reporters in the 1980’s that uncovered massive Democrat Party vote fraud.. her reason was that they were in possession of a handful of the ballots that were tampered with.

The “league of women voters” used to “pre-punch” ballots with the dem candidate and positions ... using a normal stylus and guide as you would in a voting booth would be too slow.. so instead they used a “nail set punch” in a drill press , using this they can vote 20 , 50 , 100 ballots at a time ...

Well I guess in 2000 one of the old bitty’s punching up a win for AlGore was too old and feeble to punch all the way through each stack of ballots that she was “voting” ,, THIS IS THE GENESIS OF THE DIMPLED AND HANGING CHADS ... please note that this explains fully why there were so many ballots dismissed because a vote was cast for multiple candidates, if you punched Bush your ballot was discarded as you had also punched Gore...

This is fact , this is the face of the enemy ... here is a link to the book devoted to the subject .. http://www.amazon.com/Votescam-Stealing-James-M-Collier/dp/0963416308 as this occurred in a pre-internet time frame it is difficult to document using the internet ,, the newspapers involved haven’t seem fit to archive these articles on a web server.


13 posted on 05/08/2008 5:36:07 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Neidermeyer

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I think these book reviews pretty much say it all ...
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2 of 2 people found the following review helpful:
Rollicking But Substantial Look at Voter Fraud, October 31, 2006
By Todd and In Charge (Miami, FL) - See all my reviews

This book is more of an autobiography of the amazing lives led by two South Florida originals, the Collier brothers, than it is an overview of voter fraud in America.

That said, it is instructive and important as it lays out the institutional, governmental, and other structural roadblocks to transparency in voting, at least as experienced by these two firebrands in good-old-boy Dade County in the 1970s.

From running the legendary rock club in the late 60s, Thee Image, in North Miami (which brought Led Zep, the Dead, Jimi, and all the other major acts down), and promoting the infamous Doors show in Coconut Grove, to founding the original Sunscrene business that became Hawaiian Tropic, to running a muckraking local newspaper, to putting on a rock concert in the Grand Canyon, to reuniting the Mamas and the Papas, to living on the beach near 86th Street and Collins, to confronting Janet Reno regarding voter fraud, these guys did it all.

But the serious part deals with their assertion that the League of Women Voters were helping to “punch” the chads on voter cards in Dade County in the early 1970s, and thereby sway elections, along with curious exit polling that immediately predicted the winners minutes after the polls closed. This led to numerous other incidents, some fanciful, some perhaps not, that led the Colliers all the way to DC to confront the powers that be with documented video evidence of their assertions.

Personally, I think the book could have benefited from footnoting, so the quotes and citations can be verified and confirmed. That doesn’t mean they didn’t have a point, just that the point could have been more credibly presented with such citation. I’m also interested in seeing the video they took of chad-punching in Miami in the 1982 election, perhaps this is online somewhere.

Anyway, the book is well worth a read as background on our current problems with vote transparency, the joke of the 2000 election results, and the issues we need to address in the future to ensure that our vote is secure. Comments (2) | Permalink | Was this review helpful to you? (Report this)

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22 of 34 people found the following review helpful:
Is the presidential election in Florida being votescammed?, November 10, 2000
By J Neil Schulman (Culver City, CA USA) - See all my reviews

Votescam: The Stealing of America tells the story of an independent journalistic investigation from 1970 to 1989 into election-stealing in Dade County, Florida.
The investigation discovered that News Election Service, now renamed Voter News Service, not only provides pool coverage to all the TV networks of vote-counting, but actually manipulates final election results, using techniques ranging from confusing voters to outright intimidation and tampering with ballots.

The existence of Voter News Service is no longer obscure, thanks to their being outed by Dan Rather during this year’s reporting of the November 7, 2000 presidential election. Voter News Service is responsible for causing the networks to call a victory for Gore while the polls were still open in western Florida — and still open during the heaviest voting hours on the west coast of the U.S. — discouraging Republican election workers and Republican voters from continuing to get the vote out. The likely result — the “Florida effect” — was to tip the 2000 elections in California, Oregon, and Washington to the left, not only in the presidential race, but also in Congressional races and ballot initiatives.

Votecam: The Stealing of America exposes the complicity of the news media in corrupting American elections, and even former Florida Attorney General (and now U.S. Attorney General, Janet Reno, is shown to be part of America’s votescam.

Fidel Castro’s news service, Granma, has now indicted America’s elections as no better than a Banana Republic. Mr. “no elections since he took over Cuba” should know a banana republic when he sees one.

Votescam was twenty years ahead of the curve in warning us that what we are now seeing in Florida was a festering sore waiting to infect the American body politic.

Read this book and pass it around.

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20 of 22 people found the following review helpful:
Weight of the evidence, November 21, 2004
By James A. Stirniman “CPA” - See all my reviews

I am a forensic certified public accountant by profession, with experience as a poll worker. During any fraud investigation the evidence uncovered is assigned a weight, meaning some facts trump other facts to determine the future course to be followed. Some facts are an elephant in the room. To attempt to discredit this book as another “conspiracy theory” without refuting the charges contained within it’s pages is to ignore the weight of the evidence. Names, events, places, and charges are enumerated in detail. If you read this book, a simple dismissal as a “wild eye conspiracy theory” will not satisfy you. It will only reinforce the authors evidence. If you are concerned about our Democracy, read this book.


15 posted on 05/08/2008 5:44:03 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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