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Dan Walters: Fall vote on same-sex marriage looks too close to call
Sacramento Bee ^ | 5/28/8 | Dan Walters

Posted on 05/28/2008 8:12:55 AM PDT by SmithL

The California Supreme Court's historic declaration that same-sex couples can marry will be tested in November when voters face a measure that would enact a constitutional ban on such marriages – and two new polls indicate that it will be a close one.

The court set aside a 2000 ballot measure that barred recognition of same-sex marriages but, the new polls indicate, voters have been moving the other way.

A Los Angeles Times poll of registered voters, taken on May 20-21, a few days after the Supreme Court decision, found that 51 percent disapproved of the Supreme Court's decree, while 43 percent approved.

Field Research, meanwhile, began polling a day after the May 16 decision, and found that 51 percent of registered voters approve of same-sex marriage rights, with 42 percent opposed. That was a virtual flip from just two years earlier, when a Field Poll found that 44 percent approved of same-sex marriages and 50 percent were opposed.

The state's third major poll, conducted by the Public Policy Institute of California, has yet to test sentiment in the aftermath of the Supreme Court decision, but its last poll on the issue, nearly a year ago, found that 49 percent of voters disapproved of same-sex marriage and 45 percent approved of it, also a much narrower margin than previously recorded.

The proposed ballot measure would place this proviso in the state constitution and presumably immune to Supreme Court interpretation: "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." Election officials are checking signatures on petitions that anti-gay marriage groups circulated to place the measure before voters. Sponsors have asked the Supreme Court to suspend its ruling until voters utter the last word. Meanwhile, local officials are gearing up for a wave of applications ...

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: ca2008; caglbt; california; danwalters; drivebymedia; family; fieldpoll; homosexualagenda; judeochristian; marriage; msm; playinghouse; ppic; pushpolling; queerlybeloved; sacramentobee; samesexmarriage; sanfranciscovalues; traditionalvalues

1 posted on 05/28/2008 8:12:55 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL
Be prepared to hear the MSM pronounce resistance is futile and traditional voters should give up the ghost. As the DriveBys say: "You Die, Man!"

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 05/28/2008 8:18:52 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
In November, you will hear a lot of

"So what happens to all those couples who got married already? What are you going to tell them about their marriages???"

... in an effort to guilt people into voting against the amendment.

(That they didn't happen. Annulled.)

3 posted on 05/28/2008 8:32:07 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Teachers open the door. It's up to you to enter.)
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To: goldstategop
From past history, if a proposition is not at least 60/40 out of the gate, it has little chance of passing.

The fruits will soon be on a legal par with the flakes and nuts that make up our "wonderful" Granola State.

4 posted on 05/28/2008 8:34:02 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: SmithL

OPPOSE WITH VIGOR!!!


5 posted on 05/28/2008 8:45:56 AM PDT by b9
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To: SmithL

....it’s not too close for me to make the call....traditional man-woman marriage will win....just like it has in all the other states where it was on the ballot....then the queers will take it to a liberal court to get it over turned.


6 posted on 05/28/2008 8:48:32 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: SmithL
If California's latest court ruling in this case were confined to the residents of the Golden State, this would be a parochial problem, of little concern to Americans living outside California's borders. But if the US Supreme Court, in a fit of judicial activism, should decide--probably in the not-too-distant future--to strike down the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, California's own brand of judicial activism will be visited upon the residents of the other 49 states and the District of Columbia. The Full Faith and Credit Clause of the US Constitution will come instantly into play; and same-sex couples from Kansas, Wyoming, and Indiana (to name a few) will be free to travel to California, get married, return home, and--voila!--stake an unassailable claim to wedded bliss in their home state.

It does not require a great deal in the way of analytical prowess to see that this is on the horizon.

7 posted on 05/28/2008 9:08:26 AM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: SmithL

The voters already spoke on this issue in a ballot initiative.


8 posted on 05/28/2008 9:16:46 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: b9
The initiative bans same-sex "marriage."

SUPPORT WITH VIGOR!!!

9 posted on 05/28/2008 9:24:54 AM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (How many of your civil rights & liberties are you willing to sacrifice per election just to vote (R))
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To: AmericanExceptionalist

Without an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to protect traditional marriage, I think you are spot on in your predictions.


10 posted on 05/28/2008 9:34:28 AM PDT by 444Flyer (Marriage=One man+One woman! Vote to amend the California State Constitution this November.)
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To: SmithL
Hmmm. Are they polling the same folks who typically give the President at 30% approval rating? If so, they're skewing the results, because those polls are heavily weighted toward Democrats, and folks who never even bother to vote, they just want to bitch.

It will be an uphill battle in CA, but I hope the folks supporting the amendment don't lose heart because of these polls, many of which are designed specifically for that purpose.

11 posted on 05/28/2008 9:41:49 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: CounterCounterCulture

:::blush:::

I mean oppose same sex marriage WITH VIGOR. “;^)


12 posted on 05/28/2008 11:01:04 AM PDT by b9
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To: SmithL

Cherry-picked sample in that poll?


13 posted on 05/28/2008 11:44:02 AM PDT by Purrcival (I had to put down my Bible and my gun to post this.)
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To: SmithL

Ya know, I seem to recall them saying stuff just like this BOTH times we voted on this before. Funny, though, it never seemed to work that way after the ballots were counted.


14 posted on 05/28/2008 12:08:41 PM PDT by Mr Inviso
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

We who live in the Soviet Republic of Ca., know that we keep voting and seeing just how hopeless the brainwashed socialist pacifists are out here nowadays. It is as if they all went to Berkeley or Harvard and forgot any moral applications or clarity that our Republic once knew. My guess is, God isn’t very happy with the Golden State.


15 posted on 05/28/2008 12:13:07 PM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: SmithL

In elections involving a Black candidate against a White candidate in a mixed district we see the bradley effect. We have come to see the hillary effect and now we will see the bruce effect. Don’t bet that the 61% who voted against gay “marriage” have been converted by thugs in black robes. I say it will be 61% or higher against this time as well.


16 posted on 05/28/2008 12:35:35 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatives live in the truth. Liberals live in lies.)
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To: Purrcival

The first poll released on the issue— conveniently absent form this article — showed a 53-34% margin in favor of the amendment.


17 posted on 05/28/2008 12:41:56 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: SmithL

Once again, using the courts, the liberal minority spits in the face of the majority. How long can this go on? Sadly most of us who pay the taxes that are used to support these liberal thugs actually have to hold down jobs and raise families, unlike the welfare population, union supported thugs and wealthy elite who seem to be the only ones with the power and time to put thru their agendas. Too bad the conservatives can’t simply withhold the GOP tax dollars and watch the courts and government collapse on what it gets from the non-tax-paying welfare recipient and the elite who use tax breaks and tax loop-holes to keep their money in their own pockets. Make the libs pay their own tab.


18 posted on 05/28/2008 4:16:59 PM PDT by onevoter
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To: SmithL

John McCain’s Presidential campaign should benefit from this. The voters will support traditional marriage, and it’s not likely to be close, media bias notwithstanding.


19 posted on 05/28/2008 6:32:53 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If Islam conquers the world, the Earth will be at peace because the human race will be killed off.)
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To: SmithL

Its difficult to poll issues like gay marriage due to the “Wilder” effect. People asked by Pollsters may decline to reveal their true feelings about gay marriage out of fear of being politically incorrect.


20 posted on 05/28/2008 9:50:09 PM PDT by yongin
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