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1 posted on 05/31/2008 3:59:55 AM PDT by Dawnsblood
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To: Dawnsblood

If the Democraps get a fillerbuster proof legislature combined with the Presidency for even 2 years, we’re totally screwed, period.


2 posted on 05/31/2008 4:31:45 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Dawnsblood
I disagree with the definitions used in this article. How can Progressive Republicans be described as both reliable on limited government and willing to go off on big government crusades? Either they're one or the other, but not both. The truth is they aren't reliable on limited government.

The assertion that Bush Republicans accept big government as long as it does socially conservative things is totally incorrect. Bush signed onto No Child Left Behind, the prescription drug bill, and McCain-Feingold, none of which did socially conservative things. I suppose the argument here is the libertarian nonsense that allowing states and localities to regulate abortion or stop homosexuals from prancing around nude in public is “big government”, but the Founding Fathers would have disagreed.

As for Goldwater Republicans, they're just socially leftist Republicans who want a massively powered federal government to “protect” them from local socially conservative ordinances. In other words, they want unelected wolves in the henhouse to protect them from elected foxes. In fact, they go beyond that to supporting radically big government to promote certain social causes they've adopted, particularly on the subject of homosexuality. See the linked column below noting Goldwater's support for a federal law to prohibit “discrimination” against homosexuals:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/may98/goldwater072894.htm

What we need is a true conservative. Someone favoring limited government, strong defense to protect our interests (not to bring “democracy” to the world), and who wants to preserve the traditions which made us great in the first place. This latter means family values, preferably at the local & state level, though in certain cases it may require a constitutional amendment when aggressive leftists are spreading a depravity from one state to another via the courts and subversion of the law (i.e., same-sex “marriage”).

James Madison knew that a corrupt people won't remain free. This is why the left has been so aggressive in changing our culture to one that is socially liberal. A place like San Francisco, which is socially liberal, will never be fiscally conservative or strong on national defense. In other words, it will never be free.

3 posted on 05/31/2008 4:32:47 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: Dawnsblood
Socialism is becoming the only faction in the GOP and has been doing so incrementally for many years.
4 posted on 05/31/2008 4:54:54 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Dawnsblood

I think there are two factions in the Republican Party:

1. True Conservatives (whose numbers are dwindling) and

2. “Democrat Light” Republicans (which is why #1 is dwindling as they grow disaffected and bail out).

I don’t know if the True Conservatives can ever regain control of the GOP as a force for good in this country. If not, we need to form a TC party so there is someplace for non-socialists to go.


7 posted on 05/31/2008 5:24:11 AM PDT by 43north (I did not leave the Republican Party; the Republican Party left me.)
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To: Dawnsblood
According to these definitions, I suppose I am a "Goldwater Republican" who has fallen into the "Status Quo Republican" "camp" inasmuch as I consider any and all of these Republican factions to be infinitely preferable to the Democrat Party and the survival of our beloved nation dependant upon defeating the Democrats.

According to this definition, I am definitely not a "Bush Republican".

I will make one prediction: If a Democrat is elected President, a Democrat majority elected to the House of Representatives, and a filibuster-proof Democrat majority elected to the U.S.Senate, the United States will be so devastated that she will never fully recover.

9 posted on 05/31/2008 6:11:10 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("History is not just cruel. It is witty." ~Charles Krauthammer)
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To: Dawnsblood
There is no longer a right wing in the United States..
If there was... I'd join it..

They must've died off..

10 posted on 05/31/2008 6:37:14 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Dawnsblood

IMHO, unless several other things happen, limited government will never be seen again. These would be a repeal of the 17th ammnendment...restoring the Senate to the States

http://www.articlev.com/repeal_the_17th_amendment.htm

the second is to expand the size of the House of Representatives...

http://www.democracyjournal.org/article.php?ID=6587

Currently in DC..look what happened to Tom Delay.....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1802383/posts

Washington is so jammed with parasites looking for a teat...that ANY organized opposition-IOW any Conservatives-will be run out of town . Period. This, folks, is a far BIGGER problem than just one with the Republican leadership.

Pay attention the the Farm Bill that just passed. Its not the average American Joe that is demanding handouts that’s driving the bus here.

It’s any large organization that has the cash to buy a few K St. lobbyists to twist congress’ arm. The boys on Capitol Hill that are unresponsive to said arm twisting...well these organizations can afford to make sure they’re replaced in the next election cycle-and in fact, with what the new boys will send them legislatively will far more than make up for the cost of replacing a recalcitrant congresscritter. We American’s have a far bigger problem on our hands here than any of us could possibly imagine in our worst nightmare.


11 posted on 05/31/2008 7:08:07 AM PDT by mo
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To: Dawnsblood

I am one of those “Constitutionalists.”
I do not believe in Nation Building Wars.

I am not an isolationist neither am I an interventionist in foriegn affairs.

I believe the Federal governments powers are few and well defined by the U.S. Constitution and nothing in those documents allow for a Patriot Act...or the Clean Air Act or any such laws as those. I do not believe in preemptive wars based on U.N. Resolutions nor do I believe that the Just War theory emcompasses such a policy whether or not it is practiced by a Clinton or a Bush.

I wish to abolish the I.R.S. and nearly every other alphabet agency in the Fed. I believe in “The land of the Free and the Home of the Brave. Not in the land of “everything changed after 911” and the Home of “pee our pants in fear at the mere mention of terrorism” that this country has become.

I believe the Church builds the moral foundation of a country not the Federal Courts. Bush was right about abortion...it will not end until peoples hearts have been changed. Failure of our Church’s to instill a collective morality on the people in no way justifies the governments efforts to do so instead. There should be a law forbidding the FEDERAL Courts from having any say in such matters...One such law was written but found no support within the GOP.

I believe a politician should obey his oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. I believe that if the Federal Court rules that gun ownership is not an individual right that 30 million gun owners should martch on Washington D.C....armed.

These are only a few of the conservative principals that I believe in that have been abandoned by both political parties...

It was much to my dismay that I found that a Party that I thought held dear these same principals as I do actually do not, and in point of fact...believe me and those who believe as I do to be KOOKS.


12 posted on 05/31/2008 7:41:11 AM PDT by KDD (Bob Barr for President.)
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To: Dawnsblood

That’s a very limited scope. I know that there are a few small l libertarians, a few South Park Republicans (Where the future of the party is) and there are a few Pink Elephants (Republicans that are against drug prohibition).


14 posted on 05/31/2008 8:36:37 AM PDT by TypeZoNegative (I'm An American Engaged To Another American, we're not a mixed couple.)
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