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French Army Falling Apart, Documents Show
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 6-6-2008 | Henry Samuel

Posted on 06/06/2008 3:08:35 PM PDT by blam

French army falling apart, documents show

By Henry Samuel in Paris
Last Updated: 10:50PM BST 06/06/2008

Most of France's tanks, helicopters and jet fighters are unusable and its defence apparatus is on the verge of "falling apart", it has emerged.

France's military has been given a bleak prognosis

According to confidential defence documents leaked to the French press, less than half of France's Leclerc tanks – 142 out of 346 – are operational and even these regularly break down.

Less than half of its Puma helicopters, 37 per cent of its Lynx choppers and 33 per cent of its Super Frelon models – built 40 years ago – are in a fit state to fly, according to documents seen by Le Parisien newspaper.

Two thirds of France's Mirage F1 reconnaissance jets are unusable at present.

According to army officials, the precarious state of France's defence equipment almost led to catastrophe in April, when French special forces rescued the passengers and crew of a luxury yacht held by pirates off the Somali coast.

Although ultimately a success, the rescue operation nearly foundered at an early stage, when two of the frigates carrying troops suffered engine failure, and a launch laden with special forces' equipment sunk under its weight.

Later, an Atlantic 2 jet tracking the pirates above Somali territory suffered engine failure and had to make an emergency landing in Yemen.

"External operations, in the Ivory Coast and Lebanon are a fig leaf: we are able to keep up the pretence but in ten years our defence apparatus will fall apart," one high-ranking official said.

The disclosure comes just ten days before President Nicolas Sarkozy announces a major reform of the armed forces, with a defence white paper outlining France's military priorities for the next 15 years.

He is expected to argue that the situation can only improve by reducing the number of France's operational troops from 50,000 to 30,000, and its fighter aircraft, as well as closing military bases.

He will also use the occasion to push for greater military integration in Europe, an issue that France will highlight when it takes over the EU's six-month rotating presidency in July.

French proposals circulating in Brussels show that France wants a new EU military headquarters based in the Belgian capital and run by Europe's new foreign policy chief. It is also calling for a bigger rapid reaction force and for countries to spend more on defence.

France has played down its European defence ambitions for fear of boosting the No vote in Ireland's referendum on the Lisbon treaty on June 12.

In parallel to beefing up the EU's defence capability, Mr Sarkozy is keen on France becoming a full member of Nato's integrated military command structure, which Charles de Gaulle left in 1966. But he is unlikely to make a decision on this until next year.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: apart; army; europe; falling; france; french; frenchtroops
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1 posted on 06/06/2008 3:08:36 PM PDT by blam
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I can’t think of a better place for a military capital than Belgium. When fighting breaks out they can sketch out an anti-US Smurf cartoon in a heartbeat.


2 posted on 06/06/2008 3:12:37 PM PDT by WildcatClan
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before the inevitable jokes start, I just want to state that this is Not A Good Thing for anybody.


3 posted on 06/06/2008 3:12:55 PM PDT by kms61
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4 posted on 06/06/2008 3:16:37 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: blam

Sounds like they have the perfect excuse for surrendering .... again.


5 posted on 06/06/2008 3:16:59 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: kms61

before the inevitable jokes start, I just want to state that this is Not A Good Thing for anybody.

****

...no white flag jokes? Now I have that out of the way, I agree. Sarkozy is the only Frenchman I know who;s got the stones to go after our enemies, and who actually gets the GWOT. Looks like WE have to pick up the tab and the slack...

Please dont send our soldiers there a la WW2 when the French couldn;t fight their way out of a paper bag.


6 posted on 06/06/2008 3:17:17 PM PDT by max americana
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To: kms61

No, you are right. Have you noticed a general malaise in so much internationally? Strange. And a do-nothing congress that won’t act on ANYTHING.


7 posted on 06/06/2008 3:18:21 PM PDT by brushcop (B-Co. 2/69 3rd Infantry Div., "Sledgehammer!" ...and keep hammering 'em!)
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To: blam

What good is NATO if we are the only country that maintains a functioning army?

Why should we do for them that they refuse to do for themselves?


8 posted on 06/06/2008 3:18:30 PM PDT by RatRipper
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Eh... they are the French, they don't need an army! LOL

Look on the bright side, if the French army is batterd and old, then there will be some money to be made supplying them with new equipment.

9 posted on 06/06/2008 3:18:32 PM PDT by chaos_5 (Proud to be one of the 10% not rallying around McCain)
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To: blam
30K effective troops from 50K? Are they serious? WTF is guarding the nukes?

US has a legally limited # of formal troops, and it is much larger, but we've also got a BOATLOAD of unorganized militia that can read a map better than most butter-bars, and shoot better than most squadies.

Damn. They are cheese-eating-surrender monkeys.

/johnny

10 posted on 06/06/2008 3:20:40 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: kms61
I just want to state that this is Not A Good Thing for anybody.

I disagree. If this is true, at least when the muslims complete their takeover of France they will inherit a bunch of junk.

11 posted on 06/06/2008 3:21:32 PM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: blam
"According to confidential defence documents leaked to the French press, less than half of France's Leclerc tanks – 142 out of 346 – are operational and even these regularly break down."


12 posted on 06/06/2008 3:21:41 PM PDT by DemforBush
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A “major power” like France only has 346 tanks? What?!
The ROK (South Korean) Army has 2,872 tanks!! Mexico has over 409 tanks! So France is relying on it's nuclear deterrent...
13 posted on 06/06/2008 3:21:46 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only the Marxist Obama can!)
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A nation of 50 million can put together 30,000 troops. Sad.


14 posted on 06/06/2008 3:22:28 PM PDT by glorgau
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They only have 50,000 troops and want to downsize to 30,000?

Who cares if they’re a member of NATO or not? Considering how many in the armed forces are basically administrative staff, that amount can’t even protect the country, much less project force elsewhere.


15 posted on 06/06/2008 3:25:22 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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France!....after all these years still falling flat on its ass!


16 posted on 06/06/2008 3:25:46 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: blam
Historically (and militarily) speaking the French, quite obviously, are not what they used to be. They are now closer to being a "processed food product" than a world power...
17 posted on 06/06/2008 3:26:42 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
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To: blam

Hey France,

Next time the Germans invade your country, call someone else.

Thank you.


18 posted on 06/06/2008 3:26:55 PM PDT by Signalman
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"the situation can only improve by reducing the number of France's operational troops from 50,000 to 30,000"

.... or by spending more and doing better with the resources available, but apparently those are not options.

Hard to fathom that a country the size of France cannot maintain an army of 50,000 but having a smaller force that works is surely better than having a larger force that is 1/2 to 2/3 grounded.
19 posted on 06/06/2008 3:29:14 PM PDT by Enchante (Barack Chamberlain: My 1930s Appeasement Policy Goes Well With My 1960s Socialist Policies!)
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To: glorgau
Our Canadian friends have about 87,000 total in their entire armed forces.
20 posted on 06/06/2008 3:29:28 PM PDT by Dawnsblood
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