New Fuel Cell System 'Generates Electricity with Only Water, Air'

http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20080613/153276/ ^ | 06-13-2008 | Kouji Kariatsumari, Nikkei Electronics

[AlmaKing]

Every time someone brings up the flux capacitor, I want to tell them it’s a real device. I studied these in one of my MSEE courses.

Here’s an example. See page 8:

http://ims.unipv.it/Microelettronica/Layout03.pdf

[Don Carlos]

S and A - Why didn't somebody tell me that the Second Law of Thermodynamics had been repealed?

keat - It happened yesterday. 5-4 decision by the Supreme Court.

Good news indeed. The energy crisis will soon be solved now that that pesky thermodynamics law thingy has been done away with! (snigger)

[AnalogReigns]

I never said the hydrogen/oxygen electrolysis process was oxidation (burning).

However for every chemist who says releasing more energy in the form of hydrogen than you put into the reaction is impossible there are thousands of folk out there right now improving their gas mileage through hydrogen generating boosters to their gasoline engines.

I’m not convinced any chemist understands the process of cracking hydrogen comprehensively—and efficiencies can be gained.

Of course we need cheap electrical power as part of the whole energy solution—and nuke plants are a part of that.

All I’m saying is that in principle, since water is a storage vehicle for energy, it can be tapped too.

[Slings and Arrows]

However for every chemist who says releasing more energy in the form of hydrogen than you put into the reaction is impossible there are thousands of folk out there right now improving their gas mileage through hydrogen generating boosters to their gasoline engines.

Scam, plain and simple. Exposed by Mythbusters, among others.

I’m not convinced any chemist understands the process of cracking hydrogen comprehensively—and efficiencies can be gained.

I am.

[george123]

120W. Just enough to run my two desk lamps!

[js1138]

This seems to be one of those IQ test threads that separate those who believe science is magic from those who accept reality.

[Slings and Arrows]

Brilliantly stated, sir.

[RightWhale]

Everything after the MEA can be ignored until the MEA itself is explained.

[Oztrich Boy]

Sounds like the ideal solution to the Man-Made Global Warming Problem

[SteamShovel]

120W. Just enough to run my two desk lamps!

Energy Hog!

[Chinito]

[taxcontrol]

Bicycles normally use between .2 and .6 HP. This car does not look much larger than a tri-cycle with a windshield.

[FreedomPoster]

OK; then substitute an oscillation overthruster for the flux capacitor.

[FreedomPoster]

>>All I’m saying is that in principle, since water is a storage vehicle for energy, it can be tapped too.

No it isn’t, and no it can’t, without converting the water to something else first.

We oxidize fuels to release the chemical potential energy and convert that energy to heat, to provide comfort and process heating, and to drive heat engines to make shaft work, for transportation and to drive generators to make electricity.

Coal, oil, natural gas and (rarely) hydrogen are among the fuels we use to do this.

Water is oxidized hydrogen. The chemical potential energy of water is pretty much doodly squat, and you can quote me on that.

[FreedomPoster]

This gets into the issue that for many today, “everyone’s answer is equally valid” <*barf*>, when that is just simply not the case.

We can thank the modern education “system” for most of that.

[Slings and Arrows]

Tell me about it. I’m a college Computer Science teacher, and I’m an iota away from giving up on academia.

[Oztrich Boy]

Of course we need cheap electrical power as part of the whole energy solution

There is no oil crisis

Couple a whole batch of Internal Combustion engines to electric motors, and have the electic motors drive the IC engines in reverse. They will them suck CO2 and water vapour in through the exhaust pipe.
Collect the hyrdocarbon vapour at the inlet ports.

Freedom from the mid East Oil Sheiks!

[FreedomPoster]

Yeah, ouch on that.

It’s especially tough when you’re in a field where there are plain and simple right and wrong answers, and where higher-level policy/judgment calls, while at some level subjective, really depend on having the background of understanding those lower-level right and wrong answers.

[cpdiii]

Why didn't somebody tell me that the Second Law of Thermodynamics had been repealed

You got it! Entropy rules the day. Gibbs Free Energy tells you how much you got.

Perhaps you would like to look at my perpetual motion generator. It is a fan driven generator. The span of the fan is equal to the distance between the Senate Chamber and the House Chamber of the Capitol Building. As a matter of fact I have mounted it there. There seems to be an endless supply of hot air and high velocity bovine feces ejected from the building. It supplies as much power as the warp drive on the Starship Enterprise.

[cpdiii]

While the process of releasing that energy stored in water does require energy—and traditional electrolytic methods are notoriously inefficient, there is no reason why, with the proper technology, efficiency can not be reached to release more of the energy stored in water than it takes to “crack” that energy (the hydrogen) out of it.

You are correct if you are talking about thermonuclear fusion. I really do not think that was a hydrogen bomb they had set up. On another subject I have reduced the price of that bridge in Brooklyn to a mere 10,000 dollars. Please remit you payment to me and your account numbers to my associate in Lagos, Nigeria and we will arrange the transfer to you immediately.

PS The laws of thermodynamics do not take heretics lightly.