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Dad sues Fayette County for barring him from kids
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | Monday, June 16, 2008 | Paula Reed Ward

Posted on 06/16/2008 10:12:12 AM PDT by steel_resolve

A Smithfield man this morning filed a federal lawsuit against Fayette County Children and Youth Services alleging that the agency removed his children from him -- and has forbidden contact with them for nearly a year -- even though there were no allegations of any kind of abuse against them.

Filed on his behalf by the American Civil Liberties Foundation of Pennsylvania, the lawsuit seeks a temporary restraining order that would prohibit CYS from placing -- or threatening to place -- his children, who are staying with his parents, in foster care.

The plaintiff is listed as "John Doe" in the lawsuit to protect his children, who are 8, 6 and 5 years old.

According to the complaint, the problems began in September 2006, after Mr. Doe had a brief, consensual relationship with a 16-year-old girl, identified by the initials "K.K." He was 27 at the time and separated from his wife, who is currently a psychiatric patient at Torrance State Hospital and has resided there since February 2008.

(Excerpt) Read more at postgazette.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: aclu; children; custody; cys; lawsuit
Tyrrany of the state or a messed up individual? Have at it...
1 posted on 06/16/2008 10:12:12 AM PDT by steel_resolve
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To: steel_resolve

Both, it appears.


2 posted on 06/16/2008 10:19:45 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: steel_resolve

this guy messed up by allowing his children to be taken without a court order...they would need sheriffs and guns to take my children from my house, and then the basis for a lawsuit would be there from the beginning.....and never do anything they tell you without a court order and your lawyers advice...child protective services are nothing more than petty beaurocrats hungry for power ( power against the evil man, never aginst the woman )


3 posted on 06/16/2008 10:19:51 AM PDT by joe fonebone (The Second Amendment is the Constitutions reset button)
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To: joe fonebone

Exactly right.

I am on record as stating the CPS had best NEVER to even show up at my house without a SWAT team and a warrant.

These petty bureaucrats will pull ANY stunt they can get away with to increase their power, and what is best for the children can be d@mned!


4 posted on 06/16/2008 10:24:03 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: steel_resolve
consensual relationship with a 16-year-old girl

That isn't consent. This pervert can't be trusted with children.

5 posted on 06/16/2008 10:27:08 AM PDT by donna (I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth. - Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: steel_resolve
He did not have a "consensual" relationship with a "16-year-old." That was statutory rape, and the law is quite clear that the young woman could not "consent" even if she did consent.

Keep in mind that the viewpoint of the ACLU is that anyone should be able to do anything sexually with anyone else, regardless of age and sexual procivities, unless any small woodland creatures are involved. The ACLU has taken this case to have a go at the state's rape laws. They don't give a damn about this man's status as a father.

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6 posted on 06/16/2008 10:30:24 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob ( www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: steel_resolve

I’ll save my outrage for a father who isn’t humping the 16 year old baby-sitter. And I suspect there’s more to the story. The children were living with him when this was going on, and I wonder who was caring for them while he was running around with a 16 year old (actually a 15 year old, since according to HIS version of the story they didn’t actually do the deed until she turned 16, but were already “involved” enough that he was seeking information on when it would be legal). Their mother has been in a psych hospital for the past 4 months, and didn’t have custody of the three young children at the time the case was opened, suggesting that serious mental illness has been present during the entire relevant time period, so if he was leaving them with her, knowing that she was seriously mentally ill, that would be a serious problem. And I’m not seeing any mention that his parents, with whom the state has placed the children, are supporting him in this lawsuit.


7 posted on 06/16/2008 10:30:47 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: steel_resolve

The ACLU is pro-pervert. Even if it was technically legal for a 27 year old man to have sex with a 16 year old girl, it was a moral crime. Not only should this man lose any contact with his children, he should be in prison for at least 20 years.


8 posted on 06/16/2008 10:39:41 AM PDT by FFranco
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To: Congressman Billybob
He did not have a "consensual" relationship with a "16-year-old." That was statutory rape, and the law is quite clear that the young woman could not "consent" even if she did consent.

16 is the age of consent in Pennsylvania. Maybe it should be higher, but apparently he didn't violate that law.

9 posted on 06/16/2008 10:45:53 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Whale oil: the renewable biofuel for the 21st century.)
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To: L98Fiero

Both, it appears.

Based on the details available in the article I would have to agree...
However. If being a “messed up person” prevented people from keeping their own children then quite a few people would be without children..........


10 posted on 06/16/2008 10:48:01 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Patriot Guard Riders - Standing for those that stood for us.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
If being a “messed up person” prevented people from keeping their own children then quite a few people would be without children..........

Not only that, but we must remember that, regardless of how "messed up" a parent might be, CPS and the foster care system are not going to be any better and just might be a whole lot worse.
11 posted on 06/16/2008 10:52:32 AM PDT by fr_freak (So foul a sky clears not without a storm.)
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To: steel_resolve

Tyranny of the state is more likely.

A “brief consensual” relationship sounds more like the 16 year old girl snuck in with a fake id to a tweenager bar and got picked up.


12 posted on 06/16/2008 10:55:00 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: KarlInOhio

Even though 16 is the age of consent in PA the guy can still be charged with corruption of a minor under 18.

Sounds strange, but true.


13 posted on 06/16/2008 11:06:04 AM PDT by NEPA (Save a cow, tip a beer)
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To: steel_resolve

“Mr. Doe had a brief, consensual relationship with a 16-year-old girl”

What is the age of consent in PA? This could be the reason the state took his kids.


14 posted on 06/16/2008 5:01:28 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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