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Great Surge, Let’s Quit
Commentary Magazine ^ | June 16, 2008 | Abe Greenwald

Posted on 06/16/2008 11:14:49 AM PDT by Jbny

It’s official. There will be no more argument from the Democrats about the success of the troop surge. Their plan is to bury their error in judgment in a larger fabricated argument about American hegemony. Not only is Barack Obama acknowledging progress in Iraq–he’s now pleased with it. And he let Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshiyar Zebari know as much when the two spoke by telephone earlier today. However if you’re a Democrat, a smidgen of U.S.-praise must come with a heaping pile of “but.” Here’s Obama on his talk with Zebari:

(Excerpt) Read more at commentarymagazine.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 110th; defeatists; iraq; obama; progress; surge; war; zebari

1 posted on 06/16/2008 11:14:51 AM PDT by Jbny
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To: Jbny

A-shats


2 posted on 06/16/2008 11:19:00 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Jbny

All good fun... but now it’s time to go. Don’t worry... we can go back and do it all over again at a higher cost.


3 posted on 06/16/2008 11:20:13 AM PDT by johnny7 (Don't mess with my tag-lines!)
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To: Jbny; Ernest_at_the_Beach; elhombrelibre; Tennessean4Bush
Obama is such an idiot.

...but also insisted that it is important for us to begin the process of withdrawing U.S. troops, making it clear that we have no interest in permanent bases in Iraq.

Hey Obama...you're not in a position to call the shots right now (thank God.)

Let's keep it that way, shall we?

4 posted on 06/16/2008 11:21:05 AM PDT by Allegra (If you lived here, you'd be home by now.)
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To: Jbny

McCain and the GOP talking heads MUST repeat every day from now till November:

“”What was the Democratic alternative to Iraq??
I’ll tell you. They had none. If left in office, Saddam Hussein would STILL be harboring Abu Nidal, Abu Abazz, and Abu ?? — they would STILL be funding Hamas and Hezbollah, and they would STILL be exporting lethal toxins like anthrax and nerve gas.””

McCain has got to stop being defensive, and they must DEMAND that Obama tell us specifically how he would have defanged the world wide terror networks.

No more vague answers of “we must build up our coalition” and other mis-direction baloney.

The worldwide terror networks have been decimated and largely defanged — and McCain and the GOP should run on that.


5 posted on 06/16/2008 11:31:13 AM PDT by Edit35 (.)
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To: Jbny

This is what liberals are saying on the blogs:

“McCain will be for years of the same we’ve been having for the last eight. The Republican party has done more damage in eight years than even I ever believed was imaginable.”

How do we respond to that?

You can add you comment there:
http://www.lvrj.com/news/19954494.html?numComments=71


6 posted on 06/16/2008 11:31:15 AM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - co-bloggers wanted!)
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To: Allegra
...but also insisted that it is important for us to begin the process of withdrawing U.S. troops, making it clear that we have no interest in permanent bases in Iraq.

Ummmm.... Hussein, yes we do you moron. Ever look at a map of Iran? Iraq on the left, Afghanistan on the right. There might be a pattern there you idiot.


7 posted on 06/16/2008 11:34:19 AM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Jbny
Having lost the surge debate, the Democrats are grasping at straws. If Obama can shave an hour off a proposed drawdown plan, he’ll do it and say he’s halting a Republican scheme for global military domination.

And have that parroted by every Obamaniac MSM drone in the country. We're past the point of truth or even serious discussion here, folks, and off into liberal fantasy-land. Again.

8 posted on 06/16/2008 11:39:22 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Rock&RollRepublican
McCain and the GOP talking heads MUST repeat every day from now till November:

Agreed, but don't count on it. Our side absolutely SUCKS at countering the lefts BS.

9 posted on 06/16/2008 11:39:34 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Cobra64

While you’re redrawing the map, how about giving Kurdistan direct access to the Mediterranean, as claimed in the Kurdish web site? http://www.akakurdistan.com/kurds/stories/index.html And transferring western Turkey to Greece, as proposed in the aftermath of WWI? (Greco–Turkish War of 1919–1922) The Greeks can decide whether their capital will be Athens or Constantinople.


10 posted on 06/16/2008 11:49:23 AM PDT by omega4412
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To: omega4412

I’m not a cartologist. I lifted that map from the internet. Probably got the wrong one to make my point. Sorry if you don’t like it. Feel free to report me to the mods.


11 posted on 06/16/2008 11:55:41 AM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Rock&RollRepublican

Their alternative was for us to crawl on all fours to the UN jacka%$es whose indecision, duplicity, and incompetence put us in the cross hairs to begin with!...AND will again if we give them a chance.


12 posted on 06/16/2008 12:02:36 PM PDT by SMARTY ('At some point you get tired of swatting flies, and you have to go for the manure heap' Gen. LeMay)
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To: Jbny
Why? Why does Obama — without delving into the regional ramifications — want to make it clear to Iraq, its neighbors, and terrorists laying in wait that “we have no interest in permanent bases”?

This is an excellent question, and it's a huge loser for the Democrats if McCain has the communication skills to call them on it. Why do "we have no interest in permanent bases"? They've been a remarkable success in Germany, South Korea and Japan, and have helped keep those nations secure against their enemies. Iran certainly has an interest in permanent bases in Iraq - would Obama and the Democrats prefer that? If so, why?
13 posted on 06/16/2008 12:06:02 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: WOSG
The Republican party has done more damage in eight years than even I ever believed was imaginable.”

How do we respond to that? Challenge them to get specific. Is 6 years of economic growth bad? Is 4-5%unemployment bad? Is seven years w/o a terrorist attack bad? Are two successful wars, overturning two violent dictorship governments bad? Get specific? What 'liberties' were taken away? Where did Bush infringe on rights?

14 posted on 06/16/2008 12:15:44 PM PDT by ilgipper
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To: Puppage
“Our side”??? I wish there were still an “our side”! There is just a government comprised of a moderate left-wing party and a hardcore left-wing party. The Fed only has a left side, leftist policies and leftist/marxist plans. I have no party and now I fear I may have no country. GOD save America from satan and his minions.

LLS

15 posted on 06/16/2008 12:20:36 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (REAGANISM... not communism!!!)
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To: Jbny

It’s NOT then “audacity of hope”. It’s just plain AUDACITY. Even when he has been humbled he reeks of pompous elitism!


16 posted on 06/16/2008 12:29:39 PM PDT by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: johnny7

Don’t worry... we can go back and do it all over again at a higher cost.

Nah, ICBMs are quicker and cost much less, unless you live in Tehran.


17 posted on 06/16/2008 12:54:06 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: Rock&RollRepublican
No more vague answers of “we must build up our coalition”

The President never tagged Kerry with it but anyone who said we needed to bring the French and Germans on board was following Saddam's script. He was convinced France's perfidity would keep him safe from invasion. As his vile son said: "Bush is not Clinton. This is really the end."

18 posted on 06/16/2008 1:09:32 PM PDT by Dilbert56 (Harry Reid, D-Nev.: "We're going to pick up Senate seats as a result of this war.")
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