All by Shepard Fairey
Communists are behind Obama. THAT'S ALL I NEED TO KNOW TO STAND IN HIS WAY.
Posted on 07/05/2008 10:45:16 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
...And too many square nerds have no clue they're on a message board!! I know what politics should not be about, and that is sacrificing your principles because you're a complete whimp to stand up for what's important and right! I tell ya what, if you think voting for the Lesser Of Two Evils is the way to go just so you don't have to fight for what's best, then have at it poindexter!
Oh, I get it very plainly. But, while Mr. Obama is clearly statist, Mr. McCain holds the same or similar views in just enough areas (like immigration, the environment, and free speech vis-a-vis campaign finance) that I consider him also dangerous.
Oh, wait. It's because people with your mindset think McCain is a Leftist.
Is amnesty and benefits for illegal aliens conservative? What about the anthropogenic climate change scam and the carbon credit trading schemes? Because that's what Mr. McCain and the Republican Party is trumpeting.
The difference between folks like you and myself is that you either don't recognize or don't take seriously the threat that Obama poses to this nation.
I do recognize the serious threat that Mr. Obama poses. However, I also recognize the serious threat that Mr. McCain poses. Our problem here is that we disagree on how to proceed: a vote for neither candidate is a valid vote, and voting third-party does not constitute a vote for Mr. Obama.
Mr. McCain is part of the same old Washington and New York establishment that got us here in the first place. Mr. Obama is part of the Chicago political scene that's renowned for its corruption and graft. Either way, both sides could care less about you or me, except when it's tax time or when they need to get our votes for reelection. If it's convenient and profitable for them to defecate all over us, and they can get away with it, they most certainly will try.
Frankly, I'm sick of this. It only takes one wrong move by Mr. McCain (if he gets elected) to damage the country irreparably. And, with a Democrat-controlled Congress, that could be carbon taxes, amnesty for tens of millions of illegals, and only God knows what else.
In 2004 and 2006, I voted for the Republicans. And...look where that got us. From now on, I vote conservative, regardless of which party that may be.
Something the most successful conservative in my lifetime, Ronald Regan, understood instinctively. He knew you had to get elected to have any chance whatsoever of implanting your ideals. He had a great, balanced amount of idealism and pragmatism.
I'm going to NOT vote for a rino, what are you going to do?
I didn’t ask you what you weren’t going to do, I already knew that. I asked you what you were going to do.
RINOs and Democrats are allies. I'm not quite clear why it's worthwhile to vote for RINOs who, for selfish purposes, give evil people the power to be a threat. If it's not possible now to start the process of creating a viable third party without everything falling to pieces, is there any reason to believe the RINOs will allow it in future?
If the Obama et al. turn this country into a Marxist-Islamist paradise, it will be because RINOs gave them power in the hope of forcing fearful voters to vote RINO. Don't blame the voters who refuse to play that game.
True, but there's more. His home constituancy was changing. Arizona was growing fast with people of different perspectives. In some ways they drove the changes and in others they merely allowed them. More socially liberal, more educated, more urban they were a major influence on McCain. I noticed that the old conservative mantras did not work on him any more. To get his ear you had to have your ducks in a row. We were up against some sharp cookies on the others side and the ones with the most coherent, most reasoned arguments usually won.
Also, going back to his Senate seat, remember that it was Barry's old seat and McCain took that very seriously. Almost as soon as he won, he began looking at the next step.
The Keating thing interferred in a major way. The two meetings were barely three months into his first term. They were innocent enough and I would argue that he didn't do a damn thing wrong (I would also argue that Keating didn't do a whole lot wrong but that's another story. It happened). He was short list for Dole's VP and again for Bush I. McCain's votes were probably pretty close to what Goldwater's would have been been but Goldwater Country was no longer Goldwater Country. Barry won his last election by around 5000 votes. McCain shifted to match Arizona.
With Dole's loss in '96, McCain began eyeing the nomination. Politics were rancorous and McCain began to take on whatever issues were foremost on voters' minds, not to be liberal but to demonstrate leadership and cooperation. This is the John Weaver effect.
Fiscally, McCain was still Barry Goldwater but he began to depart orthodoxy on other issues. Pandering? Maybe, but this was now the national stage.
He lost to what he considered a lesser man in 2000 and was insulted and infuriated at the bigoted and nastily untrue rumor mill tactics. As he had in Arizona, he saw a new constituancy apart from and above the old political base. As Goldwater had once recommended he "lined up and kicked Jerry Falwell right in the ass".
With McCain, I predict we will get some liberal policies and we will get them until we howl. He does keep his word.
We will also get a lot of very conservative policies. And we will get them until we howl.
Too bad Ronald Reagan is gone, because he'd be the one to ask.
What about the anthropogenic climate change scam and the carbon credit trading schemes?
Like you, I think this is BS and a scam, especially the carbon credit crap. Like I said in an earlier post, McCain is an opportunist who is increasingly revealing he has few core political beliefs. To the extent he supports all that nonsense, I'm convinced it's for that reason and not because he's a Leftist.
I do recognize the serious threat that Mr. Obama poses. However, I also recognize the serious threat that Mr. McCain poses.
We do not disagree on how to proceed. We disagree on the fundamental comparison between the two. I do not see McCain as dangerous to the Republic and our Constitution. I see him as just one more garden-variety opportunistic politician who will say anything to get elected. He's a creature of and by the senate and, as such, represents a type of pol Americans have nearly always rejected when they ran for president.
Obama, to me, is a different kettle of fish entirely. Despite his aw-gosh, Alfred E. Newman grin, and sometimes dulcet tones, he has already broken every single presidential election norm in American history. And no, by this I'm most definitely NOT talking about his race.
Who is this man? Where did he really come from? Who's behind him and his meteoric rise from obscurity? Why and how did he come to consider himself presidential material from the moment he landed in the U.S. Senate, after just a handful of years in his state legislature? After leaving Harvard, why did he go out of his way to seek the company and backing of Chicago's cadre of far Left radicals?
Obama has spoken of his admiration for Marxism, and his disdain, even hatred for his mother's people. What is this man really up to?
I resent like hell the pressure by the majority here on FR to hate and/or fear McCain, a known quantity, while ignoring or downplaying Obama, the cipher. There's no question that many, if not all of you want Obama elected. I resent like hell having so-called conservatives shove that Marxist POS down my throat.
Well said. If Reagan were alive and well today, I have no doubt whatsoever that he'd be supporting John McCain to the hilt. I also have no doubt whatsoever that many of the self-professed conservatives on FR would hate him for it.
Sometime in the not-to-distant future, the U.S. government is going to face a meltdown of legitimacy. I do not see any realistic way of returning to legitimate government without the government first reaching a point that its illegitimacy is recognized by a large portion of the population.
As to the effect of the meltdown, I can't say. I would hope that there would be enough people in government who would rather pressure the tyrants to step down than engage in combat with the people, but I don't know if that's the case or not. I would suggest, however, that the more obvious the illegitimacy of the government, the more chance there would be for a comparatively bloodless revolution/restoration.
Nope. There is no such thing as a "RINO." When such terms are used by a tiny minority against tens of millions of people, they cease to have any substantive meaning.
Thanks for your nicely balanced description of the Arizona influences on McCain. I’ve never lived in that state, so am unfamiliar with its politics. I appreciate the insights you’ve provided. :)
Great post, Windcatcher.
It is a very high risk scenario. On the other hand, I see no reason to believe that the election of McCain wouldn't leave us in an even more desperate situation in 2012 than the one we now face. The only way this country can return to legitimate government is if a whole lot of people get to see what the Left is really all about.
It may already be too late to turn the country around. If it isn't, it's awfully close. Buying time by voting for McCain would make sense if I saw any possibility that the situation could improve during the time that was bought. But I don't.
Great advice for every primary. I intend to do this very thing. I was a Fred supporter.
I feel that the ONLY real hope we have in this country is if Maccain picks a REAL conservative for his VP candidate—and THEN, , after a year or so, he would “step out of the way” and let he/she “take the helm”.
Palin does indeed sound like a pretty good choice, perhaps KBH.
BUT...if Maccain should pick a RINO, for the spot, who is for fags, abortion, the fairness doctrine, hate-crimes shit, muslim” rights”, FOCA and such..then I MAY STAY HOME TOO!!
I DO remember how many of the perpetual whiners complained constantly about Reagan. “He ballooned the budget! He didn’t cut any agencies! He has NWO/CFR/TriLats types in his cabinet! He didn’t pass laws to have queers executed! He didn’t overturn Roe personally!” and on and on.
Okey....so don’t vote...and watch the following happen within 90 days of an Obama presidency and a Democrat Congress you’ll see change like you could’nt imagine...
O’bama’s “CHANGE”:
1. 2 Senators for the District of Columbia. No filibustering Obama’s change! BTW these WILL be permanent Democrat seats.
2. Abolish the electoral college. No red state rednecks
tellin the big cities how things are gonna be.BTW this WILL solidify Blue State rule.
3. Pack the Supreme Court, just like FDR did to get HIS change. 3 more justices ought to do it, FWIW, they’ll all make Maxine Waters look like John Birch. Prolly one of them be Hillarhea!! BTW...they’ll spend the next four years disarming us one by one.
4. Fairness Doctrine. Outlaw Dissent. The only point of view you need is the Bamaview. BTW, without the 2nd or 4rth Ammendments, there’s no 1st.
This man gets elected, with a Democrat Congress .....THIS is the coming change.
And all you “fellow Americans” that are so hung up on how you “feel” about McWhatever we’re calling our American war hero John McCain today, I expect will disappear when the time comes to Water the Tree of Liberty...
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