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And yet, you're trying to persuade those of us who won't vote for him knowing him as you do.

Nope. I'm merely shooting down some of the tiresome conceits of people with your mindset.

Wolfstar wrote: Look. I get it.No, you really don't You're comfortable with seeing Obama elected. Fine. Just own up to it.

Gaffer replied: No, you really don't...Unfortunately, you and the other McCain apologists will own this one.

Charming logic you have there, bub. Someone who is opposed to Obama will somehow "own" his win, should he be elected this November.

Get back to me when you learn to add 2 and 2.

Despite the fact that we may be on opposing sides of the argument, I would like to point out several things that we do have in common.

With a Democrat- (or leftist-) controlled Congress, whomever wins the presidential race will do damage. It's not a matter of the quantity of the damage but the quality of the damage. All it takes is one Socialist escapade, whether that be amnesty for illegals, carbon credit trading, higher taxes, selling our sovereignty to foreign interests, or kowtowing to terrorists and political correctness. And, with respect to both of the two "viable" candidates, they are equally capable of dealing at least one severely damaging blow to the United States, provided that Congress enables them.

And, we had better find a genuinely conservative candidate for 2012 otherwise a truly dangerous opportunist (e.g., Hillary) could appear to "clean up" the messes of either McCain or Obama. At the same time, we need to figure out how to recapture back the Congress.

It's been my experience that Americans are fundamentally right of center and endowed with common sense. All you have to do is show them what's really going on behind all the nice words and euphemisms (i.e., lying) perpetrated by the establishment (Republicans and Democrats are both guilty) at the top.