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1 posted on 07/17/2008 12:42:13 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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2 posted on 07/17/2008 12:43:32 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Aren’t there more deaths in Democrat occupied Chicago than in Baghdad?


3 posted on 07/17/2008 12:44:54 PM PDT by twntaipan (Dump the Drill-nothing Democrats: Lower fuel costs in the process!)
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4 posted on 07/17/2008 12:47:15 PM PDT by XR7
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Dems Iraq Victory Not an Option
5 posted on 07/17/2008 12:49:19 PM PDT by musicman
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Totten goes on to say that the violence may never actually peter off to nothing in Iraq, but reminds us that violence and terrorism are endemic to the entire Middle East.

Well, Totten, violence is pretty endemic to some of our cities, too.

10 posted on 07/17/2008 12:58:54 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

which is more peaceful now?

Iraq or Algeria?


12 posted on 07/17/2008 1:05:51 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"violence and terrorism are endemic to the entire Middle East"

This is not possible because Jorge has told us that Islam is a Religion Of Peace(TM)

14 posted on 07/17/2008 1:20:01 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Bernanke is a Monetary Slut!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It ain’t quittin time ‘til Big Uncle Sam says it’s quittin time!


17 posted on 07/17/2008 1:30:43 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Only a Kennedy between us and tyranny.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I think that we actually won Iraq in Fallujah in 2004; that until the "surge," it was still possible for a "Battle of the Bulge" or a "Cold Harbor" type victory by the enemy or devastating loss of life on our side to LOSE the war, but al-Qaeda could not win after we killed 2000 of their top guys in Fallujah.

What the surge did, besides ending all talk of a "civil war," was to get some of the western tribes and the Anbar region to come down clearly on our side. No small feat that. But there are many paths to victory. I could have envisioned a more backboned congress sticking to the original Bush plan, and while it would have cost us more troops, in the long run it also would have sucked in far more jihadists from all over the region---guys we will still have to kill. But no telling. Perhaps now we will kill them under better circumstances. It's also possible that a lot of the flare-up in Afghanistan is the result of post-surge terrorists giving up on Iraq and going back to the original front.

22 posted on 07/17/2008 2:19:35 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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Oh, libs know those quotes. They know losing in Iraq would hurt the US. THAT’S WHAT THEY WANT, A HURT WEAK US. Why? Because a strong US is a barrier to their socialist dreams.


24 posted on 07/17/2008 2:21:39 PM PDT by piytar
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

bump


25 posted on 07/17/2008 2:22:19 PM PDT by Skooz (Any nation that would elect Hillary Clinton as its president has forfeited its right to exist.)
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I've heard that the biggest problem our troops now face in Iraq is boredom. Many want to head to Afghanistan.
29 posted on 07/17/2008 7:25:17 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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Lots of very good comments on the thread!

Dr. Rusty Shackleford :

... From the beginning the many reasons for my support of ongoing efforts in Iraq can be reduced to a single premise: America must win its wars.

Victory enhances national security, failure reduces it. The ten years following our surrendering Vietnam to the communists were a foreign policy nightmare. That single act emboldened and reinvigorated not only communists across the world, but also Islamist revolutionaries such as Ayatollah Khomeini who, rightly, saw that the U.S. would no longer keep its security commitments.

Ditto that in our initial response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. And the killing of our Marines in Lebanon. And in Somalia.

Losing emboldens our enemies, winning frightens them.

I'll end with these two quotes which have haunted me for years now:

When people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature, they will like the strong horse.

            ---Osama bin Laden, December 2001

We experienced the Americans through our brothers who went into combat against them in Somalia, for example. We found they had no power worthy of mention. There was a huge aura over America -- the United States -- that terrified people even before they entered combat. Our brothers who were here in Afghanistan tested them, and together with some of the mujahedeen in Somalia, God granted them victory. America exited dragging its tails in failure, defeat, and ruin, caring for nothing.

            ---Osama bin Laden, October 2001

Liberals would do well to pay attention to them.


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32 posted on 07/18/2008 5:04:52 AM PDT by Tolik
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Thanks Ernest, for both pings.

[snip] It’s not over in the sense that we can now come home. It’s over in the sense that we’ve crossed a line where our victory is all but assured if we stay the course. Like U.S troops crossing the Rhine in 1945—there are still a few battles left in the failed Islamist insurgency, but there is little doubt what the ultimate outcome will be. [end]

Iraq’s security ‘remarkably better’ ( Joint Chiefs chairman hints at drawdown )
Washington Times | Thursday, July 17, 2008 | Rowan Scarborough (Contact)
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37 posted on 07/18/2008 9:54:41 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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