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To: Gondring; xcamel; steelyourfaith; neverdem; Reform Canada
Er, uhm, yes ... We can MEASURE the change in trace gasses. Including (quite accurately) how CO2 is CHANGING.

But you cannot tell me (by the math) HOW MUCH each part of the change in CO2 is due to what cause! (Tell me how CO2 delta percent is due to “deforestation (but forest percents have risen in many places!), how much is due to warmer oceans; how much is taken up by greater plant growth due to higher CO2 levels (now as much as 23% greater!); and how much is due to burning.

But, CO2 is less than 1/3 of one hundredth of a percent of all CHG on earth. ANY assumption as to its supposed influence on net heat rates is an ASSUMPTION based on only ONE report used by the IPCC - and henceforth canonized by Hansen and his ilk.

Now, over a 12 year period from 1996 through 2008, tell me how CO2 has increased.
Now, tell me why (EXACTLY why - and show your math!) - temperatures have stayed the same over that same 12 year period.
If currents are to blame (El Nino and La Nina's) - tell me WHY ocean currents (depending on the sun's rays to heat ocean water, and the sun's rays to heat wind currents) - can manipulate the earth's TEMPERATURE, but the sun cannot affect the earth's temperature.

28 posted on 07/27/2008 3:44:19 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

I don’t really want to get into carbonate chemistry and geochemistry, etc., for acid rain. The focus on NOx and SOx is not misplaced for the acidity inputs...though carbon is involved, too, that has more to do with the buffering capacity of surfacewater bodies, soils, etc.


30 posted on 07/27/2008 5:47:05 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

BTW, I realize you must have misdirected your comments, as you’re writing about global warming, not my response about acid rain.


31 posted on 07/27/2008 5:49:03 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

I’ve been living at the New Jersey seashore (Ocean City) every summer for the past 45 years. For the whole summer. Never has the ocean water temperature been this cold for so long as it has this summer. This summer is really strange. I mean real cold. Lately it’s usually been in the 50’s instead of the 70’s where it should be. Melting of the Arctic or a new global cooling?


32 posted on 07/27/2008 6:39:54 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus Reagan (Fight Socialism! Vote McCain '08!)
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