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The other 15 or so gun owners who did not show up will be checked by the OSBI to see why they didn't volunteer for the test firings.

"They can have any number of reasons" for not volunteering, Brown said. "They could be against it, they could be anti-government, or they eventually may want to help."

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Exercise your rights, be investigated. I would certainly not volunteer for any of this. Glocks are notorious for having balistic traces that are virtually indistinguishable from each other.

This is plain stupid, and a waste of tax money and investigators time.

1 posted on 08/22/2008 7:42:31 AM PDT by marktwain
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The other 15 or so gun owners who did not show up will be checked by the OSBI to see why they didn't volunteer for the test firings.

Ummmm.......
Perhaps they didn't because:

Because the test firing of the weapons is voluntary, Brown said there isn't any constitutional violations involved.


2 posted on 08/22/2008 7:50:11 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Satisfaction was my sin)
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We are the gov’t and we are here to help you.

If you’re innocent, what have you got to hide?

We just want to clear you.

And yes, there is a really big chaznce your barrel may produce similar results.


3 posted on 08/22/2008 7:51:18 AM PDT by umgud
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No, it is not a waste of time. It is an illustration of just how few leads this case has. If an investigative agency is reduced to doing what is little more than a random gun canvas they cannot have any other way to go.


4 posted on 08/22/2008 7:52:06 AM PDT by Dogrobber
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The medical examiner recovered spent bullets from their bodies and described them as small- and medium-sized.

I would have thought a .40 cal. would be considered a LARGE cal. bullet.

5 posted on 08/22/2008 7:55:32 AM PDT by 300magnum (God grants liberty only to those who love it, and are always ready to guard and defend it. D.Webster)
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About 40 of those gun owners showed up on Saturday and Sunday, and their weapons were fired once or twice and then returned to them.

Dumb move on their part. They should have forced the cops to get a warrant, just on principle.

6 posted on 08/22/2008 7:56:52 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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Officer Friendly should be doing ballistic tests on all LEO .40’s in that area also if there was any sincerity to the reason for this testing. JMO


7 posted on 08/22/2008 7:57:56 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Heller: The defining moment of our Republic)
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So let me get this straight - A murder occurs and firearms owners submit their weapons for testing.

So I suppose the next time a woman is raped, will all men will have to submit their d**ks for testing in Oklahoma?


8 posted on 08/22/2008 7:58:21 AM PDT by Sir Hailstone (Just Another Bitter Republican Clinging to my Glock 19)
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Check this story out, Dave.


10 posted on 08/22/2008 8:00:19 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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This article was already posted a few days ago. You can read the flame wars there.


11 posted on 08/22/2008 8:02:54 AM PDT by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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What struck me about this is that it was *identical* to the technique used by police in England to obtain DNA samples, after a particularly brutal crime.

But it didn’t stop there!

It began by asking all “adult males” in a city to submit DNA, to “eliminate them as suspects”. And they did get a very high turn out. And once in the database, the police *kept* that DNA information for future reference.

Then, unrelated to that brutal crime, other cities decided to do the same, asking for “voluntary” submissions of DNA, after they had their own, if not as heinous, crimes. Again, “helpful but stupid” citizens gave up their DNA, to be added to the database.

Then, seemingly out of the blue, the English Home Office started an elaborate process to create a NATIONAL DNA database. First, with just taking involuntary DNA samples from its prisoners. Then taking DNA samples from people who had been arrested, but not convicted.

And finally, to demand DNA samples from every citizen of England.

As such, they now have a national DNA database.

Remember, as with associating guns with gun owners, the police only have to do it once, and then they know forever. This now means that to identify most of the gun owners and guns in an area, they just need to poll gun dealers say, 20 times, for the most popular gun models.

This time, they’re looking for .40 Glocks. Next time, .357 Magnum S&Ws. Etc.

Does anyone honestly believe that the federal government isn’t trying to incrementally determine who owns guns, and what type of guns they own?

They may do it more subtly than the English, or sneakily, as the case may be. But do you doubt it for a minute?


14 posted on 08/22/2008 8:04:11 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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Let me comment on a second issue mentioned in the article.

That prompted concern Tuesday among many in the public, who noted that Oklahoma does not have a gun-registry law nor a central database of gun owners.

The wisdom of volunteering for testing aside, it seems like this incident establishes that the current system works, and that there's no need for a central database.

16 posted on 08/22/2008 8:08:23 AM PDT by SJackson (as a black man, you know, Barack can get shot going to the gas station, Michelle O)
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No doubt. NO way in HELL would I submit to this.

“Got probably cause, or else kiss my arse.”

I'd return a letter, certified to tell them politely “cease and desist any investigation in to my ownership of said firearm, or else you'll be hearing from my lawyer.”

CC the NRA legal team.

17 posted on 08/22/2008 8:15:12 AM PDT by fightinbluhen51 ("...If it moves, tax it, if it moves faster, regulate it, if it stops, subsidies it.")
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“to see why they didn’t volunteer”
Then it wasn’t VOLUNTARY!

Let me ask the cops something. Do they think the GUILTY person is going to take his/her gun down to the station?


20 posted on 08/22/2008 8:19:35 AM PDT by BooksForTheRight.com (Fight liberal lies with knowledge. Read conservative books and articles.)
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These volunteers have pushed us all further down that slippery slope the LibTards have been greasing for the past 60 years or so.

This is positively chilling.

Voluntary test firing my firearms? I don’t think so...


24 posted on 08/22/2008 8:23:36 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion)
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How could they tell it was a Glock, rather than one of the other manufacturers?


33 posted on 08/22/2008 8:51:55 AM PDT by tarawa
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I’m ashamed of the O.S.B.I. This voluntary test is absurd. I think it is nothing more than a publicity stunt.

The Glock used in the murders might not have been purchased locally, or even legally. And if they want to include all .40 Glocks in the area, they should remember to test the ones in possession of law enforcement agencies.

I would not submit my firearms for voluntary testing.


34 posted on 08/22/2008 8:51:58 AM PDT by 04-Bravo
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If this would happen in VA, our group would be in their face.

Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc

38 posted on 08/22/2008 8:59:14 AM PDT by bmwcyle (If God wanted us to be Socialist, Karl Marx would have been born in America.)
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"They can have any number of reasons" for not volunteering

...like, say, they know they're innocent?

48 posted on 08/22/2008 9:49:21 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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I wrote the reporter, expressing my own views as well as some expressed here via a vis the “voluntary” aspect and gun registration in general.

He said that he got letters from all over the country raising hell about this approach. The OBI did not come out well on this issue.

I was glad to see that a stink was raised. These authoritarian types will back off - and try again later.

However, I have to confess that since it wasn’t my kids who got murdered, I can take an arms-length philosophical view.


54 posted on 08/22/2008 10:48:17 AM PDT by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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Police are allowed to lie to induce a confession. (ussc said so)

I suspect the police know this is 100% useless.

They just want an “in” to talk to the suspect without the benefit of a defense attorney.


58 posted on 08/22/2008 10:59:26 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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