Obama's Dual Citizenship (according to his defenders!)

Factcheck.org ^ | August 29, 2008 | Joe Miller

[Non-Sequitur]

There was no one questioning their origin of birth, but they did question McCain and he immediatly made his birth certificate available. So lets put it on the same level as McCain. No more no less.

If memory serves Obama did as well. Allegations have been made that it was faked. Others have said it was the real deal.

[Robert DeLong]

Yeah he provided it to KOS, whereas, John’s was examined by the Senate.

[Robert DeLong]

Let me direct you to ATLAS EXCLUSIVE: FINAL REPORT ON OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE FORGERY CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN

A little bit about the investigator of Obama's birth certificate document that Obama provided to KOS:

My deepest thanks and appreciation for Techdude's unwavering commitment to the truth despite the threats and harassment, the slashed tires and the dead animal on his porch.

Insofar as "techdude's" credentials, he is an active member of the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners, American College of Forensic Examiners, The International Society of Forensic Computer Examiners, International Information Systems Forensics Association - the list goes on. He also a board certified as a forensic computer examiner, a certificated legal investigator, and a licensed private investigator. He has been performing computer based forensic investigations since 1993 (although back then it did not even have a formal name yet) and he has performed countless investigations since then.

[Robert DeLong]

Let me direct you to ATLAS EXCLUSIVE: FINAL REPORT ON OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE FORGERY CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN

A little bit about the investigator of Obama's birth certificate document that Obama provided to KOS:

My deepest thanks and appreciation for Techdude's unwavering commitment to the truth despite the threats and harassment, the slashed tires and the dead animal on his porch.

Insofar as "techdude's" credentials, he is an active member of the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners, American College of Forensic Examiners, The International Society of Forensic Computer Examiners, International Information Systems Forensics Association - the list goes on. He also a board certified as a forensic computer examiner, a certificated legal investigator, and a licensed private investigator. He has been performing computer based forensic investigations since 1993 (although back then it did not even have a formal name yet) and he has performed countless investigations since then.

[surfer]

I am sure Corsi has been adequately threatened by now and he is going to make sure his arse is covered...

[surfer]

Yeah but those guys found the real bigfoot this summer...lol

[Non-Sequitur]

Let me direct you to ATLAS EXCLUSIVE: FINAL REPORT ON OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE FORGERY CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN

Let me direct you to FactCheck.org which says exactly the opposite.

[surfer]

His school registration in Indonesia clearly stated he was muslim at that time.

But then he got religion and got WRIGHT...

GD America...we are so proud to have Obama as our savior...

[Robert DeLong]

Annenberg, the same folks that hired Obama and Ayers. Now tell me you want to believe them. They may have been founded by a conservative but the liberals have taken over. BTW, I have read their assessment, at least you owe it to yourself to look at what I provided.

[Non-Sequitur]

Now tell me you want to believe them.

I'd say that Techdude has his own ax to grind as well, so why believe one over the other? At best the matter is in dispute. So next step would be evidence that Obama wasn't born in the U.S. Whaddya got?

[TexasGreg]

Because that's the best way for you to prove Obama isn't Constitutionally eligible to be president. And don't expect Obama to help you. Only a fool would give his political opponents ammunition. And he is under no legal obligation to do that. And won't be, unless a judge orders it.

Legal obligation? Perhaps not. However, I would make a STRONG argument that he is under a moral and political obligation to match the same level of self-revelation on this issue as his opponent. He is also under a patriotic obligation to demonstrate that he qualifies for the office for which he is running. He OWES that to those whom he expects to vote for him, and to the nation he will lead if elected. By refusing to meet the same standard as McCain, he is effectively thumbing his nose at the US electorate and saying "trust me that I am what I claim to be." In a perfect world, perhaps that is precisely what we should do. But I don't trust him. He's given me no reason to trust him, and MANY reasons to actively mistrust him. His legal maneuvering and obfuscation in, now, more than one court is only ONE of those reasons.

You make a reasonable point regarding burden of proof. However, keep in mind that no one has a RIGHT to be President of the United States. The Constitution establishes standards for that office that must be met before he can assume its duties. To demand that the electorate be expected to make the presumption that he meets those qualifications is simply not good enough. This is, after all, politics. He is seeking an office that is NOT a right ... it is a privilege to hold it. Since he is seeking that office, it is incumbent upon him to demonstrate that he qualifies. Legally? Perhaps not. Morally, Ethically, Patriotically, and Politically ... ABSOLUTELY.

Let us assume for just a moment that Obama wins the election, is sworn in, and takes office. Then, about 6 months into his Presidency, it is revealed to the country -- and he admits to the fact -- that he actually was born in Kenya, not Hawaii, that he has no US Birth Certificate, that he holds a current citizenship in Indonesia, that he never signed up for the Selective Service, and that he is not even a Naturalized US Citizen because he never took the Oath of Allegiance after turning 18 and his US citizenship lapsed due to his standing in Indonesia (Berg's worse-case scenario). Remember, this is all Hypothetical ... we're "just supposing." Do you REALLY want such a constitutional crisis? Do you really want the riots that will ensue when Obama is forced to step down from the Presidency? The charges of racism that will be raised. The DISASTER that would be? Such a disaster can be easily averted by simply publishing a certified vault-copy of the birth certificate NOW. If he has it, then there's no danger of this hypothetical outcome. If he can't produce one, then there is definite reason for this nation to pause and not elect him because the hypothetical outcome would actually come to pass. If the latter, and there is a certified birth certificate, then Berg is discredited and no harm is done to the Obama campaign (and, indeed, MUCH good is done); if the former, and there is no US birth certificate to be found in Hawaii's vaults and no proof of his natural born status, then the ammunition that is thereby generated is of Obama's own manufacture and he will have only himself to blame. To argue that he should therefore continue his legal obfuscation and refuse to settle this matter is to stand on immoral and unpatriotic ground.

[Robert DeLong]

It’s not what I have, it is what Obama has, his birth certificate. Have him provide it and let it be examined and determined to be either legit or fake by Hawaii itself. What is he hiding by fighting Beg’s lawsuit so vigorously?

[Robert DeLong]

Also you say the techdude has his own ax to grind, what proof do you have that is even remotely an accurate addusation? It seems to me that you are just another Obama leg tingling supporter. Are you?