The examples of long form Hawaiian birth certicates that have been posted don't have a blank for religion.
Posted on 10/14/2008 8:19:20 AM PDT by Stingray
I think he's waiting for McCain or Palin to bring it up. Then he'll produce the COLB and make them look like fools. It's a trap and Berg isn't big enough game for them to spring it.
You have to be kidding if you think fighting a technical legal battle is the inexpensive route when compared to producing a document. I said it was in expensive when compared to potentially taking a case to SCOTUS.
You and Berg and a bunch of others have called him a liar.
Do not put words in my mouth. I have never said any such thing. Go back and reread my post. I said that Berg made some interesting points which could be easily refuted by BHO. The fact that he does not do so weakens his case and gives credibility to Berg.
No idea, some blogger. But if he's got documents and they're genuine then it doesn't matter who Ed Hale is. Obama would have some 'splaining to do.
And you've got to be kidding if you think Obama and the DNC care how much this is costing. Not with hundreds of millions in campaign donations. They'll spend whatever it takes to discredit the charges and get them thrown out.
Do not put words in my mouth. I have never said any such thing. Go back and reread my post. I said that Berg made some interesting points which could be easily refuted by BHO.
And why would he have to refute them, unless you thought he was lying?
There was a post on a thread this week end, Ityped in address I took from it’s paper copy and apparently it has been pulled......
On it Hale says: All Phill Berg want(sic) is to have a court hearing and he will introduce that Kenya BD> I have a copy of that BC but will not post it till I am cleared by Phil.
...He further state the three people risked their lives to get them ...that they are in hiding for their own security....Today I am the proudest American alive.
Sounds fishy to me. If he has something and produces it then he'll have media swarming around him like flies on poop. He'll own Fox. Limbaugh will get Paul Shanklin to sing songs of praise to him. Coulter will throw herself on him. McCain will campaign with him. If only he has something...
If it can be proved after being entered into evidence in the Federal proceedings that the document was a known fraud or a fake, or that Obama's mother, knowing that he was born in Kenya, then traveled to the USA and filed a false statement of birth that was used to generate the BC so that he could be an American citizen, that's a very big problem for him. A problem that now puts the lawyers and the Defendant (Obama)at risk of Federal jail time... You just don't play with this stuff because Federal judges have little patience with and a lot of power over such actions... which may explain why they are fighting so hard to avoid being forced by discovery in the case to deliver Obama’s true and original Birth Certificate.
If they deliver a US Birth Certificate and then “another” Birth Certificate (or equivalent document) shows up in Kenya, indicating that he was really born there, and they presented a document contrary to that finding, the resulting problem is just not political, its criminal.
As to your first point, the costs? The costs of losing far exceed any dollar amount that could be reasonably expected to come out of the litigation. I have said it before and will say it again:
The quickest, cheapest way to be rid of this case is to prove the man wrong. They are not doing so. That troubles me, as it should any reasonable person.
And why would he have to refute them, unless you thought he was lying?
Again you are putting words into my mouth, words that were never there. It seems an exercise in futility to explain the same thing a third time, so I will state something more succinctly and not take a barb at your misdirected question:
I do not know where Barrack was born, neither do you. A man has filed a lawsuit claiming barrack was not born in Hawaii. Barrack has not provided evidence to prove him wrong. That troubles me and gives credence to the man's claim.
Good point.
The longer this is unaddressed by Obama the more dubious I become of the true circumstances of his birth.
The examples of long form Hawaiian birth certicates that have been posted don't have a blank for religion.
Quick and easy is not their goal. Their objective is to have the charges discredited. To have Berg's lawsuit thrown out as being totally without merit. To keep him from having any sort of day in court. For Obama to just whip out a birth certificate, when there is no legal reason requiring him to do so and when no other presidential candidate has had to do so, would give Berg credibility they don't want to give him and that they don't think he deserves. So money and easy isn't their motiviation, politics is. That's why they'll fight as long as hard as it takes to get the case tossed out, and will produce documents only when required to do so by the court.
No idea. If he waits till after the election, won't it cause a constitutional crisis?
Assuming Obama wins and if it turns out he wasn't born in the U.S.? Sure will, but there is no possible outcome except Obama being removed from office.
Actually there might be potential criminal charges for fraud.
Impeachment would not be a likely, as he would immediately resign. Since the fraud occurred prior to his becoming President, simple removal from office would not be the sole remedy.
Of course, Biden would pardon him and then he would suffer the fate of Gerald R. Ford and not be reelected.
With a super majority dim congress I wouldn't bet on that.
Congress wouldn't have a say in the matter. If Obama is shown to be Constitutionally ineligible to be president then there won't be an impeachment. He would lose the office and the courts would make sure of it.
What happens after he is removed from office is interesting to speculate on, but doesn't change the fact that if Obama doesn't meet the Constitutional requirements for president then he's out, period.
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