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Conservatives say that Bush destroyed the Republican Party(actually, one independent and David Frum)
L.A. Times ^ | 10.29.08 | Johanna Neuman

Posted on 10/30/2008 6:01:25 AM PDT by meandog

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To: AC-130 Gunship

Which, as unfortunate as it is, we benefit the Conservatives as well. It will force people to take their heads out of the sand and stop occupying middle ground...


121 posted on 10/30/2008 8:39:20 AM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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To: meandog
Like I said - Not Santa Claus.

Much of what you cite is the inertia of history: an illegal invasion and a looming monetary disaster that have been festering for decades. Likewise, the GOP abandoned the fight against the medicare drug benefit in the ‘90s. With regard to Iraq - the U.S. has been itching to move into the middle east since the fall of the Soviet Union. It was bound to happen sooner or later regardless of the party in power.

Some is interpretation: Rummy did a bang up job IMHO, and Katrina was actually a rapid and herculean rescue of a bad situation, billed as a disaster.

I think we owe the man some gratitude. Where I think he's failed most clearly is in extending an open hand to the democrats in the hope that it would bring some compromise. In response, they bit it off repeatedly.

122 posted on 10/30/2008 8:40:59 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Baby killin', gun grabbin', tax raisin' commie sock puppet? nO Thanks)
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To: Amerigomag

Oh good Lord! You’ve just proved my point!
Am I to believe that only “true, holy” conservatives need apply? How do we tell whether they are pure or not? Do they have “true conservative” halos on their heads all the time? I wish they did, because us low-brow, plain and ordinary conservatives would like to know, so we can vote for them!


123 posted on 10/30/2008 8:41:55 AM PDT by dsutah
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To: petro45acp; DieHard the Hunter

Thanks.


124 posted on 10/30/2008 8:43:06 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Baby killin', gun grabbin', tax raisin' commie sock puppet? nO Thanks)
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To: KC Burke
"The general population has no stomach for a "War on Terror", a war correctly understood by Bush but unsaleable to a ipod population."

A mistake of the highest order. You can't make a war on words. It's like a WWII war on blitzkreig. Bush should have said a war on bin Laden and that would have been saleable over by now and no delays at the airports. Instead Bush got neoconned into a ground war in Iraq to bash the country that was the bulwark against Iran.

125 posted on 10/30/2008 8:54:19 AM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Jack of all Trades

I’ve said many times here that I believe that George W Bush is the epitome of the famed “Nice Guys Finish Last” axiom. I fault him for misplaced loyalty to people who should have been fired when it was evident that they weren’t working out for any reason. Rumsfeld restored the military left to him by the Clintons, but he was out of step in the initial phases and aftermath of OIF. Scotty was a terrible mouthpiece, Evans wrong for treasury, Brownie for FEMA, Powell for Secretary of State, etc. Contrast Bush with Lincoln He fired Generals McClellan, Burnside, Pope, Hooker and Meade; and some (like Meade who had just won Gettysburg) when it suspect to do so. He fired his first War Secretary (Simon Cameron) and he dumped his vice president (Hannibal Hamlin) to get the job done. I voted for Bush but I have never really thought him the best qualified. A successful president, IMO, has to be part-S.O.B. when it comes to management, part kindly-manner and, above all, his popularity has to break through despite the press and opposition party doing all it can to bring him down.


126 posted on 10/30/2008 8:58:29 AM PDT by meandog (Hey Rush: Get it through your head, George W. Bush deserves the blame! Chuck Baldwin 2012!)
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To: AC-130 Gunship

> Perhaps, but we will also be witnessing chopper video of 5000’ plumes of smoke and flames from at least 100 U.S. cities for DAYS after the election.

Get a grip, mate. That will not happen: that’s just shrill exaggeration. The Dems will whinge and moan and say it’s unfair, just like they did last two elections. They are monumentally sore losers. But they are losers first and foremost. They may throw tantrums, but they lack the wit to throw a decent riot.


127 posted on 10/30/2008 8:59:47 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Jack of all Trades

And sadly, even R.Reagan had to give them flowers and chocolates in order to get what he wanted out of them. Sometimes, they didn’t like his brand of candy or his flowers, so they bit him too! Some people don’t understand that since he’s not a king, or dictator, that sometimes he has to compromise to get something he wants.

Reagan was a little luckier than G.Bush in that he still had the more conservative, old-line Dems. in there who would enjoy those flowers and candy, and give something in return! Bush got mostly the Pelosis and Reids, Franks and Obamas who would take the goodies and slap him good!(That’s not to bash the good eggs still in there who did cooperate with him at times!)


128 posted on 10/30/2008 9:14:59 AM PDT by dsutah
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To: dsutah
Spotting a conservative is not difficult.

They champion less, not more government. They emphasize productively unrestrained by confiscatory taxation. They promote individual freedom, often at the expense of the immediate common good and encourage individuals to face the consequences of their own actions.

Spotting a partisan is equally simple.

Partisans are, by definition, political whores. They will abandon traditions, morality, principle and common sense to advance their partisan cause. Government is power and the party is preeminent.

129 posted on 10/30/2008 10:15:58 AM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: dsutah
Reagan was a little luckier than G.Bush in that he still had the more conservative, old-line Dems. in there who would enjoy those flowers and candy, and give something in return! Bush got mostly the Pelosis and Reids, Franks and Obamas who would take the goodies and slap him good!(That’s not to bash the good eggs still in there who did cooperate with him at times!

Oh come on...do you remember Iran-Contra? The Dims were after Reagan's scalp! He never got a break from the likes of Ted Kennedy, Joe Biden, Tom Harkin, Carl Levin, Pat Leahy--the same some a-holes still here now. If anything, Reagan had more of them (Al Gore, Alan Cranston, John Glenn, Paul Sarbanes... Reagan, to his credit (and thank you God for sharing him with us) was just much more of a man than Bush.

By every stretch of measurement, Reagan will go down in history as great in that he won the Cold War, began SDI, repaired a broken economy, left with more than 75 percent of the populace loving him, and handed off his presidency to his vice president. Bush won't even go down in history as mediocre. He failed to catch the culprit responsible for 9-11, he failed to finish the war he began, he failed to fix social security, he failed to fix illegal immigration, he failed on the economy, he failed to gain popularity (it's currenly at almost a 75 percent disapproval rate) and, from the very beginning of his presidency, he failed to hand pick a successor.

130 posted on 10/30/2008 11:18:19 AM PDT by meandog (Hey Rush: Get it through your head, George W. Bush deserves the blame! Chuck Baldwin 2012!)
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To: Amerigomag
Spotting a conservative is not difficult. They champion less, not more government. They emphasize productively unrestrained by confiscatory taxation. They promote individual freedom, often at the expense of the immediate common good and encourage individuals to face the consequences of their own actions.

Ronald Reagan, Dwight Eisenhower, Teddy Roosevelt, Andrew Jackson, James Monroe, James Madison, John Adams, George Washington

Spotting a partisan is equally simple. Partisans are, by definition, political whores. They will abandon traditions, morality, principle and common sense to advance their partisan cause. Government is power and the party is preeminent.

FDR, LBJ, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush!

131 posted on 10/30/2008 11:24:10 AM PDT by meandog (Hey Rush: Get it through your head, George W. Bush deserves the blame! Chuck Baldwin 2012!)
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To: dsutah

Yes I like the Bushes better than the Clintons. I also like the Clintons better than the Obamas. But that is not the point.

The 2 Bushes in three terms as Presidents have proven to me to be a family that is not conservative as many other alternatives out there. Government has wildly grown under them and some of the policies they have executed are not exactly what most conservatives would like to have seen (Immigration, Presription Drugs, etc.).


132 posted on 10/30/2008 12:05:30 PM PDT by bestintxas (It's great in Texas)
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133 posted on 10/30/2008 10:31:04 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: meandog

Oh yeah? Is that why the economy was perking along just fine until 2 years ago when the Dems. got in? Is that why the gas prices were still lower than they are now even? Is that why why the Afghan people and the Iraqi people are voting on their own, huh?

Also, how is it that Saddam H. not only been caught but is pushing up daisies in Iraq? His sons? How is it that Osama Bin Laden is hiding out still like a spider under a rock? Is that why we’ve got a partial-birth abortion ban, and a ban on federal funds for embryonic stem cells? No deal with International court? Kyoto agreement?

How is it that the surge has worked, and several bases have been turned over to the Iraqis? How is it that we got a tax cut that the Dems. keep threatening to get rid of? (and even our candidate was against)

I can agree with some of what you said, at least until you spoiled with the same old Bush-bashing! What’s that I smell? Could it be a whiff of sour grapes?


134 posted on 10/30/2008 10:53:26 PM PDT by dsutah
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To: meandog

Oh come on indeed! George Bush abandoning tradition, morality, principle and common sense to advance their partisan cause? Now you’re accusing him of doing things he’s never done, and that’s not right in my way of thinking!

You lump him in with Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter for heaven’s sake! Even Nixon is in your list, and even FDR was not that bad! You’d think he did nothing right at all, and that’s a lie! Good grief, you’re treating him as bad some of the leftists do, and you’re going too far!

That’s my opinion; and I’m sticking to it! If you don’t like it, that’s too bad! You have your opinion, well so have I, and mine’s just as valid.


135 posted on 10/30/2008 11:11:22 PM PDT by dsutah
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To: dsutah
Oh come on indeed! George Bush abandoning tradition, morality, principle and common sense to advance their partisan cause? Now you’re accusing him of doing things he’s never done, and that’s not right in my way of thinking! You lump him in with Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter for heaven’s sake! Even Nixon is in your list, and even FDR was not that bad! ... That’s my opinion; and I’m sticking to it! If you don’t like it, that’s too bad! You have your opinion, well so have I, and mine’s just as valid.

You say "PO-TAHT-TOH" and I say "PO-TA-TOE" ... you say Bush is a Bro and I say Bush is a bum. You might think he walks on water; I say he sinks with the other bottom dwellers! You might accept the current state of affairs but I'm angry as hell about what is happening to my country, the prospects of a complete Democrat takeover, socialist rule for the next four years and I BLAME BUSH FOR IT!

136 posted on 10/31/2008 6:18:46 AM PDT by meandog (Hey Rush: Get it through your head, George W. Bush deserves the blame! Chuck Baldwin 2012!)
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