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To: sergeantdave
Fascist Germany...

Actually, Germany wasn't "fascist". There are doctrinal differences that were of no interest to Americans fighting both Italian fascists and German Nazis, but German and Italian political literati understood them well.

As you say, the State is paramount in fascism, and in a fascist system all persons, capital, and activities exist to support and carry out the will and the best interests of the State. A consequence of fascist thought was that the old nobility were tolerated because their prestige and social authority, if propery used, served to support the State. Nazism, however, did not promote and sustain the old family pretensions. Neither did Communism, which waged class warfare on them.

National Socialism is a species of social-ism, and as in Communism the interests of the People are (theoretically) paramount -- das Volk. Nazi theorists and mountebank scholars of the SS-Ahnenerben spent a lot of time glorifying the misty past of the German Volk and connecting to it, to uphold their political claim to be defenders, champions, and agents of the German People in just the same way that the Dictatorship of the Proletariat was claimed by Communists to be the shield of the working class people.

The Russian Communists likewise wore out the Russian word narodny, "of the People", in providing names for their institutions and government organs: The People's Bank of Moscow, for instance, is today known to us simply as Narodny Bank.

9 posted on 11/02/2008 4:00:51 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus
...A consequence of fascist thought was that the old nobility were tolerated because their prestige and social authority, if propery used, served to support the State. Nazism, however, did not promote and sustain the old family pretensions. Neither did Communism, which waged class warfare on them.

Could we not substitute the modern liberal elitists for the old nobility in a technological marxist state? The wealthy liberal elitists: Movie/TV stars, Silcon Valley millionaires, most of the big name print and television journalists, the committed leftist politicians and such monied famlies that do exist in America.

Wouldn't these high-profile front groups and families be allowed to retain their status - as long as they served as useful mouthpieces for the State? I rather imagine they would be willing tools once the stark realities of the choice before them is made clear: Maintain relative wealth and popularity or be stripped of their wealth and influence, thereby forced to live by a subsistance job and meager handouts from the State.

26 posted on 11/02/2008 6:48:02 AM PST by citizen (See: n-O-bama and the Bidens "Spread the Wealth" tour! Cuba, Venezuela, N Korea & China - fall '08)
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