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South Dakota Voters Defeat Second Ballot Measure to Ban Most Abortions
LifeNews.com ^ | November 5, 2008 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 11/05/2008 12:19:54 AM PST by BearArms

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To: ajay_kumar
“Our difference lies in approach to achieving it.”

I don't understand how you expect to make abortion illegal by NOT making it an issue or by NOT being against it. This election didn't turn on abortion. Plenty of successful politicians don't waver in their principles. The means by which abortion became "legal" was itself unconstitutional and illegal. THAT has as great an implication for this nations doom as the slaughter of helpless innocents. I well understand the value of being politic and canny but there are limits.

61 posted on 11/05/2008 1:46:54 PM PST by TalBlack
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To: Elvina
They did, in 2006. The pro-dismemberment folks outspent the pro-life ones 8:1.

Most folks do not even know what an abortion is, or what a tiny dismembered baby looks like. Most folks don't seem to give a hoot about the permanent scar on the pregnant mom who hires an abortionist. Out of sight, out of mind. Meanwhile, the blood of 53,000,000 little ones - who might not have been conceived in the first place but for the availability of abortion - are on our hands.

62 posted on 11/05/2008 4:00:18 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: longtermmemmory
YOU GOT IT EXACTLY RIGHT!!

Litmus testing is not popular and won't win elections"

63 posted on 11/05/2008 4:22:26 PM PST by ajay_kumar (President elect Obama, we will be watching you!)
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To: BearArms

The election is a major blow, and also prolife measures defeated across the country. But FOCA is a major battle we still can win, Obama is president, not King, he cannot pass it without Congress. Let’s keep fighting, this new website can help:

FightFOCA.com


64 posted on 11/05/2008 7:53:11 PM PST by baa39 (www.FightFOCA.com - innocent lives depend on you)
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To: SolidWood

Whoever is unjust let him be unjust still
Whoever is righteous let him be righteous still
Whoever is filthy let him be filthy still
Listen to the words long written down
When the Man comes around


The time has come to choose a side.


65 posted on 11/09/2008 12:35:33 AM PST by Salamander (Welcome to Obamageddon! The best apocalypse foreign money can buy!)
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To: goldstategop; GoLightly

Here’s something unintenionally ironic...note how many 0 supporters appear in this video...and then consider the import of the song’s lyrics:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e0EQlQXoEo

“Woe to them who call evil good...”


66 posted on 11/09/2008 12:46:01 AM PST by Salamander (Welcome to Obamageddon! The best apocalypse foreign money can buy!)
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To: Truthsearcher

Slavery in the United States of America

Slavery is the oldest form of employment. It antedates employment for wages. It began thousands of years ago as the refuge of those who had no land to cultivate for their own benefit, nor any essential skill that could be used to produce a product for sale. It has lasted for thousands of years. It was not invented in the United States and it did not end in the United States.

Yet, it is widely claimed and believed that the cause of the American Civil War was slavery; that the Confederate States had seceded from the Union in order to preserve slavery and that the soldiers of the Union army were fighting to free all slaves. Is this true? Or is it just a claim that was invented after the end of the war, in order to grant a moral justification for that conflict? Let’s take a look at the time line:

6 November, 1860 Abraham Lincoln is elected President of the United States of America.
18 February, 1861 Jefferson Davis is inaugurated as president of the provisional government of the Confederate States of America.
4 March, 1861 Abraham Lincoln is inaugurated President of the United States of America.
12 April, 1861 Confederate forces begin bombardment of Fort Sumter in South Carolina.
22 September, 1862 One year and seven months after the secession of the Confederate States, Abraham Lincoln issues the Emancipation Proclamation. This document is an executive order that grants freedom to slaves only in those states that remain in rebellion as of the first of January in 1863. It is a 90-day warning to the Confederate States to return to the Union or lose the economic benefit of slavery. The Emancipation Proclamation does not affect the status of slaves in Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri, or West Virginia. Slaves in the Louisiana parishes of St. Bernard, Plaquemines, Jefferson, St. John, St. Charles, St. James Ascension, Assumption, Terrebonne, Lafourche, St. Mary, St. Martin, and Orleans, as well as the Virginia counties of Berkley, Accomac, Northampton, Elizabeth City, York, Princess Ann, and Norfolk, are also unaffected by the proclamation due to the surrender of those parishes and counties prior to 01 January, 1863.
9 April, 1865 Robert E. Lee surrenders to Union forces at Appomatox Courthouse in Virginia, ending the war.
14 April, 1865 Abraham Lincoln is shot at Ford’s Theatre in Washington, D.C., and dies the next day.
6 December, 1865 The Thirteenth Amendment, which ends slavery in all of the United States of America, is ratified. (The 13th amendment was first proposed to the U.S. Congress for consideration on the fifth of December, 1864. It received the approval of Congress and the Senate on the 31st of January, 1865, and was signed by Abraham Lincoln on first day of February in 1865, but was not ratified by the state legislatures until the 6th of Decemember, 1865. The legislatures of the Confederate States were not readmitted to the Union until after the ratification, and thus were not allowed to vote on the amendment until after its ratification.)

So, if the American Civil War was a war to end slavery, it would seem that there would have to be one side in support of slavery and the other opposed to the same. Modern history books claim that the Confederacy supported slavery and that the Union was seeking to end slavery.

But, if the Union was opposed to slavery, why didn’t slavery end in the Northern states immediately after the Southern Secession? Why did slavery continue in the Northern states throughout the Civil War and even for eight months after the conflict had ended?

The obvious explanation is that the American Civil War was not fought over the issue of slavery, because there was no side of the conflict that actually opposed slavery within its own borders. Since Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation did not free slaves in the Northern States, it was simply an act of war intended to deprive the Confederacy of the means of production.

This page is not intended to serve as a justification of slavery, but only to point out that slavery was not the cause or justfication of the most bloody war in all of American history.

Slavery did not end with the American Civil War. Slavery was officially ended in the Americas only when Brazil made the practice illegal in 1888. Even after that date (and continuing to the present) human slavery was practiced openly in parts of Africa, Asia and the Middle East; as well as surreptitiously throughout the world.


67 posted on 11/09/2008 12:55:40 AM PST by Salamander (Welcome to Obamageddon! The best apocalypse foreign money can buy!)
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To: Salamander

Facts without context means nothing.


68 posted on 11/09/2008 1:55:31 AM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: Truthsearcher

Stupid facts!

Let’s rewrite ‘em!


69 posted on 11/09/2008 2:00:10 AM PST by Salamander (Welcome to Obamageddon! The best apocalypse foreign money can buy!)
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To: Salamander
The left doesn't believe in evil. I recently had to explain my pro-life position from a secular point of view. It's very simple to do after you eliminate the word “personhood” & replace it with human life. There is no doubt about the beginning of a human life, it's at conception by any scientific definition.
70 posted on 11/09/2008 11:20:47 AM PST by GoLightly (Hey, Obama. When's my check going to get here?)
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To: GoLightly

I’ve got a lot simpler “hook”;

“If it’s *not* a baby, then you’re *not* pregnant”.


71 posted on 11/09/2008 12:12:11 PM PST by Salamander (Welcome to Obamageddon! The best apocalypse foreign money can buy!)
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To: Salamander
“If it’s *not* a baby, then you’re *not* pregnant”.

That there is a very simple truth. I'll have to add it to my little toolbox of ideas.

72 posted on 11/09/2008 12:19:57 PM PST by GoLightly (Hey, Obama. When's my check going to get here?)
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To: GoLightly

I saw it on somebody’s car bumper about 20 years ago.

Never forgot it.


73 posted on 11/09/2008 12:25:04 PM PST by Salamander (Welcome to Obamageddon! The best apocalypse foreign money can buy!)
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