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1 posted on 11/15/2008 12:15:19 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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Hopefully the soul of the G.O.P. has changed from a tired old white guy to Saracuda.


2 posted on 11/15/2008 12:18:04 PM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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hahah, “Colin Powell endorsed bho for largely ethereal reasons.” hahah. I love Jonah Goldberg.


3 posted on 11/15/2008 12:21:15 PM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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What does the US Military look like? I would venture to say that they are largely conservative in voting patterns...


4 posted on 11/15/2008 12:23:45 PM PST by trimom
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and if it wants to win the support of mainstream voters, it will need to become more socially liberal.

So it can lose the support of grassroots conservatives like....... this last election!

Just damn!

5 posted on 11/15/2008 12:25:00 PM PST by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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The GOP can dump social conservatives and update its image but no one on the Left will vote for it. They already have the Democrats.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

6 posted on 11/15/2008 12:26:18 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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We can reach out to other groups by explaining why our beliefs in small gov’t, low taxes, free enterprise,stong defense,personal responibility... is better. The main issues people have are the financial and phyical security families. Once we show them that they will be more prosperous and safer under our plan, they will come. We should not abandon our pro-life principles.


7 posted on 11/15/2008 12:26:47 PM PST by Lou Budvis (0bama, Spread your own ------n wealth)
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Before the diversity question— the GOP has to account for the competency question.

If you look at the leadership situation...we have Boner, who has led us into historic defeat after historic defeat...

And the other guy, Lungren, who is the scariest looking politician I’ve ever seen. If the whole politics thing doesn’t work out, he could play the villian on 24.

I’m sorry but those cannot be the two best guys we can come up with. Historic defeat guy or scary villian guy. I would rather have Nancy Pelosi’s forehead as leader than either of those two.


8 posted on 11/15/2008 12:27:59 PM PST by exist
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How about if instead of adopting all of the stupid liberal views in order to appeal to the libs that that we choose to say that most (not all, of course) of the divisive issues are for the states to decide?

We need a smaller federal gov’t and the best way to make that happen is to push the authority back to the states. That way the libs in Kalifornia can enjoy their liberal lifestyle and the rest of us don’t have it forced upon us.


9 posted on 11/15/2008 12:28:31 PM PST by webstersII
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The Soul of the GOP is fine. Even the Heart is.

The Flesh, though, is weak.


10 posted on 11/15/2008 12:28:45 PM PST by Ben Reyes (If Obama is the first Jewish president then I am the Prince of Wales)
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Screw all this ideological theory and rhetoric. If we don’t make inroads in exposing ACORN and the Lame Stream Press Coverup Machine to the general voting public, we are doomed! Period!


11 posted on 11/15/2008 12:29:05 PM PST by SlightOfTongue
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Much of the GOP is old people. Sen Stevens is 84, and apparently retiring now. Rep Young is 74. There are younger up and coming personalities, but the young people seem to be much less interested in being any particular Party. Lots are registering Independent, which is perhaps not such a bad thing anymore.


13 posted on 11/15/2008 12:30:00 PM PST by RightWhale (Exxon Suxx)
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The problem is that Alda's TV character is only marginally more fictional than Christine Todd Whitman. Economically conservative social liberals are the "jackalopes of American politics," in the words of National Review's Kate O'Beirne. The press keeps telling us they exist out there in huge numbers, but when you go looking for them, they refuse to emerge from the bushes.

Bingo.

15 posted on 11/15/2008 12:31:15 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (G-d watch over and protect Sarah Palin and her family.)
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These economically fiscal-social liberal “moderates” sooner or later show their true colors. They wind up spending too much, or not seriously cutting taxes. Christine Whitman, Ah-nold Schwartzenegger, etc. They are liberals, period, and any Republican who is not a strong Social conservative should not be supported.


16 posted on 11/15/2008 12:33:50 PM PST by Longhair_and_Leather (The new presidential mantra--"Obama let babies die")
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How stupid. Our social conservatism is the only thing with which minorities ever agree. We lose them because of our (former) opposition to big government and the welfare state. All we need to do to “win” them, apparently, is try to out-pander the ‘rats. We’d never win that race, and we shouldn’t try, or we’re not even conservative anymore.


18 posted on 11/15/2008 12:36:42 PM PST by mrsmel (That one is not my president.)
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Jonah is right, but his piece is a little dry, IMO.

Our leaders in both parties are wrong. Most young people want sexually confused richer folks to stop using social programs to hurt working class families and using brainwashed American mothers and third-world hordes to cheat working class families in business.

The rhetoric about majorities wanting more feminist policies and other libertine policies is contrived by those of both parties who cheat their own neighbors to keep the potential domestic competition from rising.

The manipulative garbage on television and in public schools doesn’t form from thin air, and it isn’t sponsored by the government. It is sponsored by people in business—people who are also behind social policies in universities to the extent of having briefs filed to enforce such policies.


25 posted on 11/15/2008 12:45:59 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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"...and if it (the GOP) wants to win the support of mainstream voters, it will need to become more socially liberal."

What in the world could this journalist mean by this? Doesn't he know that the bulk of the Democrat Party is a loose alliance of Godless communists/socialists, hate America first liberals, perverts, abortionists, feminists, criminals, environmentalists, welfare parasites, and racial minorities who will vote for the politician who promises to support them and their single issue. Any self-serving politician who promises these single-issue voters that he will put their issues ahead of what's best for the country will win their vote.

There is no way the Republican party can promise any of these special interest groups that the GOP will give them preferential treatment and still retain its soul.

John McCain tried it and look where it got him.

31 posted on 11/15/2008 12:55:33 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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But what does "win over" mean?

The GOP's definition of "win over" based on the last several years means expanding the voter base by appealing to socialists.
33 posted on 11/15/2008 1:01:23 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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Those Jackalopes in the bushes are called independents .

And while they don't participate in the organization of either party, they decide the election.

35 posted on 11/15/2008 1:03:27 PM PST by mc6809e
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The GOP has become too socially conservative, and if it wants to win the support of mainstream voters, it will need to become more socially liberal.

Yeah, that's the ticket to success. Just drive out the 20 + million evangelicals and the millions more devout pro-life Catholics who together make up the party's largest and most consistently loyal segment, and the liberals who tell pollsters they're moderate independents but always vote for Democrats will flock to the GOP in droves.

36 posted on 11/15/2008 1:39:41 PM PST by epow (I'll keep my God, my freedom, my guns, and my money. You can keep THE CHANGE)
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Each party's going to be a coalition of different groups and individuals with different views. It's been like that from the beginning.

It turns out that people who buy into the logic of social liberalism usually find themselves ill-equipped ideologically to say no to spending on causes they care about.

True. But that's the nature of our representatives. Even some who are very socially conservative find it hard to turn down spending, especially when they don't have to raise taxes to spend the money.

39 posted on 11/15/2008 2:03:16 PM PST by x
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