[goldstategop]

The Mumbai massacre will be remembered for two good people senselessly slain, Rabbi Gavriel Holtzberg and his wife Rivkah. It will also be remembered for a courageous Righteous Gentile, Sandra Samuels, who saved little Moshe from certain death. It is for the world's sake that good people are with us. Only due to their merit does it endure. We must as Rabbi Boteach says, to hate those who are evil with all our being, our souls and our strength. And forever, I might add, rejoice in G-d and in His holy ones. May their memory be for an eternal blessing!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[brytlea]

The Apostle Paul was a pretty murderous guy before God saved him. While, as a human, I do hate those who kill like these terrorists did, I am not entirely comfortable thinking God calls me to do that.

[Ouderkirk]

Islam is not a religion. It is a cult of death founded by a megalomaniac pederast, rapist and mass murderer. This cult cannot be redeemed. It is violent to its very core. Its followers should be offered the choice that they offer we infidels. Conversion or death.

[RKV]

We really don’t need your approval Rabbi, so skip the “Righteous Gentile” bullsh!t. We’re on the same side here, Shmuley old pal, but cut the cr@p. Otherwise it stinks of “Jewish blood is worth more than Gentile blood.” Bottom line, we need to kill more terrorists, and worry about it less. Of course the Islamists want to make it hard to supply Afghanistan, which is why they do this stuff, so Pakistan separates from the West (well sort of, because the country [and leadership] is divided). That said, if we go, we’ve got to go all the way. This might be the end of of Iran and Pakistan both if that’s what it takes to convince the Islamists that they lost.

[Lurker]

I suggest that best possible response by the world Jewish community to this tragedy is to implement a program of a Jewish peace corps

I suggest the good Rabbi suffers from cranio-rectal inversion.

The best possible response by the world Jewish community is to do whatever they can to hunt the animals who sent these animals down and kill them.

L

[Chickensoup]

We have very different beliefs, Jews and Christians about forgivenss.

In Christianity we are told to forgive and Christ even modeled forgiveness of his own executioners from the cross. But forgivenss does not mean no punishment. No retribution. Forgivenss has never meant that the deed is erased, just that our God values all humans and finds them worthy of redemption. Redeption and forgivenss do not preclude punishment.

[Campion]

I don't think the good Rabbi understands much Christian theology.

For example, if your enemy is a bloodthirsty killer, it is perfectly consistent with loving your enemy to seek to kill him as quickly as possible. Why? Because he is certainly going to continue to murder, and every murder adds to his punishment in hell, therefore, you save him from even greater punishment by killing him today rather than a month from now.

To love someone is always to seek for them what God seeks for them, practically by definition. The sinner's conversion is ideal. Barring that, if some extremely serious moral object (like the lives of innocent victims) is at risk, ending the sinner's career of sinning is perfectly consistent with loving him. If you can't get him to heaven, you can save him from an even worse hell (and save his victims as well)

This is why, for example, Count von Stauffenberg's attempt on Hitler's life was perfectly consistent with "love thy enemies".

[SJackson]

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[Cacique]

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[Candor7]

Hey Jude. Who did yah vote for?

Ready to go to war with the side of light YET?

Take Florida with you.

[MarkL]

Finally, the world witnessed how the Holtzberg's non-Jewish nanny, Sandra Samuels, saved their two-year-old Moshe's life, running out with the child while risking being mowed down by machine-gun fire.

For those who aren't aware of the Hebrew pronunciation, "Moshe" is the Hebrew pronunciation of "Moses." I suppose that we'll never know if the Holtzbergs gave their child to the nanny in order to save him, or if she took it upon herself to do so, but either way, I pray that The Lord bless her for her courage and selflessness. A woman alone could escape far easier than one carrying a toddler. The similarities to the biblical "Moses" are rather stunning here.

Mark

[The Great RJ]

Rabbi Gavriel and Rivka Holtzberg are with God in Paradise while their murderers faced their judgment.

[Convert from ECUSA]

"Jesus meant to love those who steal your girlfriend, cut you off on the road or swindle you in a business deal. But to love those who indiscriminately murder God's children is an abomination against all that is sacred. Is there a man who is human whose heart is not filled with moral revulsion against terrorists who target a rabbi who feeds the hungry?"

Dear Rabbi Boteach, here is one Christian that agrees with what you said.

[Biggirl]

Prayers for the dear ones of the people slaugthered and in a special way, the little baby Moshe.