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To: pissant
Horowitz comparisons are laughable as the rest of the main stream media who have not looked at the facts.

Lets do a comparison:

Fact: Obama admitted that he was a British subject and a Kenyan citizen.

Fact: Obama has hired 3 law firms to fight the lawsuits trying see the truth written on his long form birth certificate.

"Democrats' Bush derangement syndrome"

The 911 Truthers who say 'Bush knew' premise.

supporting facts ??

None.

16 posted on 12/06/2008 9:54:17 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
The 911 Truthers who say 'Bush knew' premise.

You apparently haven't heard that Philip J. Berg is a 911 Truther and filed suit against Bush for this reason.

97 posted on 12/06/2008 10:44:57 PM PST by wideminded
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To: Red Steel

Bump


103 posted on 12/06/2008 10:49:29 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Red Steel
Fact: Obama admitted that he was a British subject and a Kenyan citizen.

Fact: Obama has hired 3 law firms to fight the lawsuits trying see the truth written on his long form birth certificate.

You can't just say, "These are facts, so there."

You need some kind of attribution, some reference as to where the "fact" is coming from.

For example, when somebody says, Obama's Kenyan "grandmother" (who's actually not his grandmother, but one of his grandfather's other wives) says that she was there when he was born in Kenya, they need to give an exact reference.

Is this just her saying he was a "son of the village" -- which can mean just about anything? Or did she actually and literally say sometime that she was there when he was born?

So we can't just take things off the Internet and assume that they are facts without looking closely into them.

The other thing is context. To take my earlier example, if Obama's "grandmother" has a record of exaggerations and mistruths how seriously can one take her claims?

If Obama's father was Kenyan, he may well qualify as a Kenyan citizen. That doesn't mean he may not be an American citizen as well, based on his mother or American birth.

And indeed, he may not a Kenyan citizen, if he didn't opt to retain Kenyan citizenship on coming of age.

In any case, he probably doesn't qualify for a British passport, or else there would be even more former colonials in Britain than there already are.

But if Obama said that he was a British citizen -- when did he say it and where and in what context? -- that wouldn't be the whole truth about his nationality. It doesn't exclude his being a US citizen.

And if we could say just what three law firms Obama hired, it would go a long way to proving the truth of your second fact.

514 posted on 12/07/2008 12:20:22 PM PST by x
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To: Red Steel

I keep asking for the name of the three law firms hired by Obama to fight this issue.

I’m not being contentious, I just want to factcheck it.

So far, I’ve gotten the name of one, Sandler, Reiff and Young, and that firm does not work for Obama, they are long time attorneys for the DNC.


518 posted on 12/07/2008 12:24:16 PM PST by norge
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