Posted on 12/10/2008 10:31:30 AM PST by cdbull23
I agree with the underlying ideas but the fact is, laws are laws and disobeying them, even for the noblest of reasons, means you’ll go before a judge.
How noble is a law that is unconstitutional? And even though NYC has a permit process, my understanding is that the process makes it almost impossible to get.
I don’t have a problem with any law abiding citizen carying a weapon. However, it seems more and more guns get put into the hands of the law abiding morons and the ripple the moron causes will eventually affect all of us.
I'll play.
How often did your scenario occur in post 1850 New York City? Or any other large, urban area?
It was common to carry a handgun all over the USA up until the early 20th century. My grandfather (Born in 1890) carried a .32 break-top quite often until the 1940s. I have known many who did likewise until police cars with radios, red lights and sirens made everyone feel safe enough to let the government protect them.
I understand what you are saying.
It is not what the constitution says though.
The Supremes just held that to be true in the D.C.gun ban case.
That is not accurate. Both left as free agents. Porter was on the wrong side of 30 and the Steelers just don't pay top free agent prices for players they see as on the downside of their career. They let Alan Fanica (probably the best O-lineman in the NFL) go as a free agent for the same reason and publically said so.
Plaxico while still young, was not considered worth it to the Steelers (a run oriented team) to match what he could and did get on the free agent market. The Rooneys don't put all of their eggs into one or two baskets where an injury or two can totally sink their boat. That is why the team remains competitive year after year.
Neither Porter or Plaxico were considered to be 'off field' problems when they were in Pittsburgh. Aside from the Denver incident where even the police said Porter was just an unlucky passer by, I only heard his name mentioned outside the sports pages once. He had a couple of big guard dogs at his house who got loose one day and killed a miniature horse at a farm down the road. But I can understand why Porter had guard dogs. I would too if I were him.
Plaxico, while talented as hell, was dumb as a stump. But all of his screw-ups in Pittsburgh were on the field. I never heard one word of him having any off field problems.
It's not like the majority of those guys aren't going to own and carry guns anyway based on their backgrounds and status as heavily-paid targets. They may as well do it right.
It'd be cheap insurance relative to the mess in which the league finds itself.
Yeah, I'm way familiar with Glocks. Do we know that he had a Glock?
MM (in TX)
Hey, the Post is a lot better than the Times or Daily News.
Though the way the author wrote it, makes it sound like he was taking one round out at a time, possibly by racking the slide until it locked back.
Good point. But in 1850, NYC had a population of 500,000 as opposed to the current population of something like 8.3 million residents and twice that amount when daily commuters and visitors are included in the count. Even at the turn of the century, the population was less than half what it it now. The NYC mass transit system was nonexistent in 1850 and at the turn of the century, it was only a fraction of its current size. And throughout the 19th Century and into the 20th Century, there were areas of NYC that were notorious for violent crime and frequent shootouts, including the "Five Points" area in lower Manhattan. One could argue that NYC has very strict firearm laws now because of the gun violence that was epidemic for decades. We now have the lowest violent crime rate by far of any big city (and most medium and small cities) in the Country. Whether that is because of the gun laws or in spite of the gun laws is an open question.
In your HOME - YES..
Going to a nite club - NO!!! Stay home.
That’s pretty simple.
If PB is too stupid to understand this (maybe he is - after all he did SHOOT HIMSELF IN THE FOOT),
He deserves to go to JAIL.
And I'm not so sure that the shootouts were worse in the 1860s than what was often thought of as NYC worst era in the 1970s-80s. I think Florida's urban areas would be a good case study of CCW's impact in regards to violent crime. IIRC, the impact was favorable to private citizens carrying.
I'm not trying to yank your chain. I've lived about half my life in rural areas and half in the city. The only time I have been in fear of a chain reaction shooting was when I was amidst those whose respect for the law was likely less than our own. And my experience has been that people who lawfully carry tend to take their responsibilities in life very seriously.
From the story.
Bruthas need to pull up their pants...and stop capping each other.
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