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The beginning of the end of a cruel, impractical edict
The Guardian ^ | 12.13.08 | Polly Toynbee

Posted on 12/13/2008 6:24:42 PM PST by Chickensoup

This battle will be won, make no mistake. It will be won before my generation, the baby boomers, go to our graves, just as we made sure no one could discriminate against us in middle age. We will refuse to be forced to depart life through the torture chambers of terminal diseases for lack of the right to die at the right time of our own choosing. It will be won because 80% of the public support it - and have done consistently in polls for the past 25 years. The power of the religious lobby that has such a grip on both houses of parliament will not be allowed to dictate how we die for much longer. It is none of their business.

It was a breakthrough this week when the director of public prosecutions decided not to bring charges against Daniel James's parents for helping their son kill himself at Dignitas in Switzerland. The young man paralysed in a rugby accident had his wishes respected by his reluctant parents. To be physically incapacitated should not take away the right everyone else has to take their own life if they choose.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: cultureofdeath; euthanasia; mercykilling; moralabsolutes; pollytoynbee; toynbee; universalhealthcare; utilitarianism
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Interesting article getting a lot of support from leftists.

Interesting using the word "practical" when advocating suicide.

1 posted on 12/13/2008 6:24:45 PM PST by Chickensoup
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actually one needs to read the article to the end to get the full effect of the Hate of Christians that is out there.

Is the author any relation to the historian?


2 posted on 12/13/2008 6:26:14 PM PST by Chickensoup (we owe HUSSEIN & Democrats the exact kind respect & loyalty that they showed us, Bush & Reagan)
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Hey, Polly, if you want to commit suicide, nobody can stop you. I urge you not to, but I can’t stop you.

But it’s pretty selfish to insist that the whole of society should be corrupted, and the medical profession should be perverted from preserving life to ending it, so you can kill yourself a bit more comfortably.


3 posted on 12/13/2008 6:36:44 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Vets put dogs and cats out of their misery: humans are told to wait until someone's God calls them.

That revealing statement came at the very end of the article. To the militant anti-life liberal, a human is comparable to a dog.

4 posted on 12/13/2008 6:39:02 PM PST by Flycatcher (Strong copy for a strong America)
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Well, it is practical. It’s easier for the family, easier for the state, cheaper for the insurers and everybody else involved...heck, who needs medicine? If you get sick or get injured, please do everybody a favor, do the practical thing, and die.

The strange thing is that these people don’t seem to realize that they are undermining the entire Western (that is, Judeo-Christian) concept of medicine. If the seriously injured or ill can just be put to sleep, why bother to try to cure them if it’s not guaranteed and it might take awhile for them to be cured, or might even take awhile to find the cure in the first place?

Euthanasia is going to be a big feature of Bambi’s “health care” program. One of the people he appointed to the Justice Dept. is an attorney who worked for George Felos in the Terri Schiavo case.


5 posted on 12/13/2008 6:39:02 PM PST by livius
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Soon you will be allotted a set number of years at birth and then you must exit. After all, the human carbon footprint must be managed by the authorities.


6 posted on 12/13/2008 6:40:33 PM PST by ricks_place
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The power of the religious lobby that has such a grip on both houses of parliament will not be allowed to dictate how we die for much longer. It is none of their business.

When the baby boomers die is a matter for families to decide.

Monty Python-Bring out your dead!

7 posted on 12/13/2008 6:44:27 PM PST by Polybius
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To: ricks_place

"Welcome to Carousel"

8 posted on 12/13/2008 6:44:41 PM PST by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: Chickensoup
This demand has been around for a long time. Even before Christianity, however, the Hippocratic Oath—Classical Version said something to the effect of: "I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art."

There's two lessons in that old oath. (1) You don't need to be a Christian to know that it's wrong for a physician to dispense "assisted suicide". (2) The demand has been around for a long time despite the fact that it's wrong.

The right answer is the status quo - funny how society reached a good decision even without liberal activists pushing for special rights. Those who really want to off themselves have no trouble doing it. Doctors who prescribe strong medicaitons for the terminally ill should not be held responsible if a dying patient takes a week's worth of their pain medication all at one time. Doctors should not be compelled to give a special prescription for suicide, nor should the public pay for this "service". Otherwise the government should stay out of the whole question.

9 posted on 12/13/2008 6:50:04 PM PST by MathDoc (War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength. Obama is Good.)
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I always enjoy reading how suicide is practical. It just sort of tickles my funnybone.

Just ducky that this idea is coming into its own just as the Western countries have a ton of older people to begin to cope with.


10 posted on 12/13/2008 6:50:47 PM PST by Chickensoup (we owe HUSSEIN & Democrats the exact kind respect & loyalty that they showed us, Bush & Reagan)
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The strange thing is that these people don’t seem to realize that they are undermining the entire Western (that is, Judeo-Christian) concept of medicine.

I think that is the aim.


11 posted on 12/13/2008 6:51:23 PM PST by Chickensoup (we owe HUSSEIN & Democrats the exact kind respect & loyalty that they showed us, Bush & Reagan)
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So I guess all those soldiers who threw themselves on grenades are burning in Hell right now...

L

12 posted on 12/13/2008 6:54:22 PM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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So I guess all those soldiers who threw themselves on grenades are burning in Hell right now...

That comes under the "no greater love" exemption.

13 posted on 12/13/2008 7:02:08 PM PST by nina0113 (Hugh Akston is my hero.)
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So I guess all those soldiers who threw themselves on grenades are burning in Hell right now...

These people do not believe in heaven or hell or traditonal Biblical beliefs.


14 posted on 12/13/2008 7:06:21 PM PST by Chickensoup (we owe HUSSEIN & Democrats the exact kind respect & loyalty that they showed us, Bush & Reagan)
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That comes under the "no greater love" exemption

If I've got terminal cancer and my continued 'treatment' will do nothing more than bankrupt my family, I'd say a large dose of self-administered morphine would fall under the same exemption.

L

15 posted on 12/13/2008 7:10:27 PM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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It’s really not in our interest to train our medical personnel to beome comfortable killing people.


16 posted on 12/13/2008 7:10:30 PM PST by muawiyah
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"and some die painfully by starving themselves."

Gee. Maybe they should go out in euphoria from thirst -- that's how that death goes, we were told just a few years ago.

17 posted on 12/13/2008 7:15:43 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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Is the author any relation to the historian?

Yes:

Toynbee was the second daughter of the literary critic Philip Toynbee (by his first wife Anne), granddaughter of the historian Arnold J. Toynbee and great-great niece of philanthropist and economic historian Arnold Toynbee after whom Toynbee Hall in the East End of London is named.
And a devout atheist.
18 posted on 12/13/2008 7:19:28 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: livius
Well, it is practical. It’s easier for the family, easier for the state, cheaper for the insurers and everybody else involved...heck, who needs medicine? If you get sick or get injured, please do everybody a favor, do the practical thing, and die.

Yes, grandmother, do everyone a favor, do the practical thing and die (but leave me in your will, okay?). / sarc

19 posted on 12/13/2008 7:21:47 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: nina0113; Lurker
"So I guess all those soldiers who threw themselves on grenades are burning in Hell right now..."
That comes under the "no greater love" exemption.

Very well put, nina0113!!

20 posted on 12/13/2008 7:25:10 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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