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The rich are not like you or I. From what I'm reading here I guess if you're a forner millionaire who got snookered by a crook un a Brooks Brothers suit you're entitled to a personal rescue. These greedbags fell for the old risk free great return scam - let them get a good job at Wal Mart collecting carriages in the parking lot.
1 posted on 12/16/2008 2:33:42 AM PST by ninonitti
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To: ninonitti

Just thinking about this scheme. The rich dems who insist that the rest of us pay more taxes and pay a huge ‘death’ tax as well........kept all their money in foundations that were tax exempt.

Now they have had the ultimate ‘tax’ bill. All the money is gone.

I hope they’re happy now, the hypocrits.


2 posted on 12/16/2008 2:41:46 AM PST by Carley (Prayers for Sgt. Eddie Ryan)
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“We lost our life savings,” said investor Joan Sinkin.

next time, invest in low expense index funds (stocks and bonds and not just the US) and don’t trust individual companies, funds or special gurus that claim they can beat the market. Everything reverts to the mean, including Bill Miller of Legg Mason.


3 posted on 12/16/2008 2:45:08 AM PST by ari-freedom (Conservatives solve problems. Libertarians ignore problems. Liberals create problems.)
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To: ninonitti

I believe we are all sick and tired of the “Bailouts of the Rich & Famous” all lib friends, buddies, and supporters.

Where are the bailouts for the other folks. Where is the anger?


4 posted on 12/16/2008 2:50:13 AM PST by dforest (Is there any good idea out there that Obama doesn't lay claim to anymore?)
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To: ninonitti
Congress created the SIPC in 1970 to protect investors when a brokerage firm fails and cash and securities are missing from accounts

WCBM financial talk show host over the weekend said that checks from investors were written to Madoff... PERSONALLY. There were NO traditional brokerage accounts set up. And, the investors never questioned the method in which they were receiving these large returns.

So, how can there be any recovery paid for by the taxpayers for the investors' stupidity?

5 posted on 12/16/2008 2:56:32 AM PST by xtinct (Any man may easily do harm, but not every man can do good to another. Plato)
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God? Please let the wealth of the socialists (yes, the phoney bastards are wealthy) be tied up in this ... and God? Please let us know.

Thank you.

8 posted on 12/16/2008 3:22:00 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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I saw this morning that the richest man in the US Senate was knee deep in with Madoff.

Lautenberg, couldn't happen to a nicer man.

9 posted on 12/16/2008 3:24:14 AM PST by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: ninonitti
From what I can tell from articles about the investors is that they were all stupid, greedy and lazy. Are we all entitled to 12% returns under every market condition? Don't we all deserve a fund that we can throw our 20 million into that will get above market returns without any effort on our part?

The upshot is the feds will bail this out just like everything else in the name of protecting the economy. Bit by bit the remaining credit worthiness of the entire US economy is being used up bailing out the very dumbest economic actors. Where are the bailouts for entrepreneurs or small businesses that create jobs? Oh, that's right, they are going to pay for it all.

10 posted on 12/16/2008 3:31:10 AM PST by palmer (Some third party malcontents don't like Palin because she is a true conservative)
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To: ninonitti

uh-huh
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/search?m=all;o=time;q=quick;s=protected


13 posted on 12/16/2008 3:41:52 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: ninonitti
"We lost our life savings," said investor Joan Sinkin.

They only have their own greed to blame.

Banks and thrifts have guarantees to $250,000 per account per institution. This couple should have diversified their holdings to include safe investments.

THEY OPTED FOR HIGHER RETURNS and got burned.

14 posted on 12/16/2008 3:47:28 AM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority ((Barack Obama...stuck on stupid and idle as the world races by him like a bullet train...)
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To: ninonitti
Here's the most staggering two sentences in the article:

The order came just days after federal prosecutors charged Madoff with securities fraud, saying he had admitted to orchestrating a massive Ponzi scheme. Madoff is free on $10 million bail after he was charged with securities fraud last week.

How can this guy be free on $10MM bail? He should be in shackles and confined in a cell for the rest of his miserable life.

16 posted on 12/16/2008 4:06:29 AM PST by ReleaseTheHounds ("The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.")
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No bailout. Life is not fair, when one makes bad choices one has to pay the consequences.

When a thief breaks into your house and steals your belongings and you don’t have insurance, you lose everything. I don’t see the difference in the thief breaking into your house or wearing an expensive suit. Your belongings are gone - there was no insurance, you get no bailout. SPIC is not involved - there were no brokerage accounts.


19 posted on 12/16/2008 4:12:41 AM PST by rigelkentaurus
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To: ninonitti
Meanwhile, a federal judge on Monday threw a lifesaver to investors who may have been duped, saying they need the protection of a special government reserve fund set up to help investors at failed brokerage firms.

How, does a gov't with a deficit and a huge debt have a special fund, set aside?

Oh wait I know, we'll just print more money or better yet just electronically create it out of the ether.

The house of cards , that is our economy, just gets taller.

22 posted on 12/16/2008 4:23:21 AM PST by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: ninonitti

Right, they want to take money from people earning between $30,000 and 100,000 to pay back people so they can enjoy their retirements worry free in their McMansion. Nope, no more. This is making me sick.


23 posted on 12/16/2008 4:25:07 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: ninonitti
Congress created the SIPC in 1970 to protect investors when a brokerage firm fails and cash and securities are missing from accounts. Funds can be used to satisfy the remaining claims of each customer up to a maximum of $500,000. The figure includes a maximum of up to $100,000 on claims for cash.

Anybody think that $500K is really a bailout for the multi-million dollar investors? Only $100,000 if they want cash. This is no bailout. It may help some Mom & Pop investors, however.

25 posted on 12/16/2008 4:35:31 AM PST by RGSpincich
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I have a question about this whole Madoff Ponzi scheme (and please excuse my naivety). If this was a Ponzi scheme, where did all of the money that was put into the fund go? Was it lost in the markets or was it embezzled and sitting in Swiss bank accounts?
26 posted on 12/16/2008 4:40:49 AM PST by NRG1973
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Federal investigators remain at the investment offices of disgraced investor Bernard Madoff, scouring through records to learn the scope of what may be the biggest Ponzi scheme ever in the United States.

Federal investigators remain at the investment offices of disgraced investor Bernard Madoff, scouring through records to learn the scope of what may be the biggest non-government Ponzi scheme ever in the United States.

Fixed.

30 posted on 12/16/2008 4:57:06 AM PST by TankerKC (Wal-Mart haters: It IS NOT OK to trample someone.)
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To: ninonitti
FDIC/SIPC guarantees only apply to qualified institutions.

The requirements for enrollment are very rigorous, and address record keeping, reporting, independent audits, and capitalization.

It is unlikely this mess would have ever happened if the fund had been subjected to Fed regulations and scrutiny.

As a result, I predict the judge's decision is moot. As a matter of law, you can't buy insurance after you suffer a loss to indemnify you against the cost of that loss.

36 posted on 12/16/2008 5:50:20 AM PST by Zakeet (Be thankful we don't get all the government we pay for)
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To: ninonitti

Bernard Madoff should be tapped as Fed Chairmen.

Hey why not, he seems like a likeable guy and he came clean quickly (well, after the first 18 years or so). It’s not like there’s anything backing all the new money...anyway! The US dollar is becoming more of a Ponzi scheme every day.

QUESTION: You get paid on Wednesday, but there’s a two week lag. How much less will the dollar be worth from the day you earned it to the day you spend it?

ANSWER: Welcome to Mexico, senor!


47 posted on 12/16/2008 4:10:03 PM PST by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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