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New World post-pandemic reforestation helped start Little Ice Age, say Stanford scientists
www.physorg.com ^ | 12-18-2008 | Source: Stanford University

Posted on 12/18/2008 8:57:54 AM PST by Red Badger

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To: Red Badger

Start by killing more Christmas trees today!


21 posted on 12/18/2008 9:19:43 AM PST by bmwcyle (McCain had no honor when he failed to defend Sarah Palin, Leno was not enough)
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To: Red Badger

Split atoms, not wood.


22 posted on 12/18/2008 9:19:45 AM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: Red Badger
Barry's FaultTM
23 posted on 12/18/2008 9:20:25 AM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: Red Badger

Except...didn’t the little Ice Age start in the 1200s? Wasn’t that why the Vikings had to abandon Greenland?


24 posted on 12/18/2008 9:21:43 AM PST by Defiant (I for one welcome our new Obama Overlords.)
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To: Red Badger

Theories based on conjecture based on broken models. Why is this superstitious faith-based articled called “science”?


25 posted on 12/18/2008 9:23:05 AM PST by Seruzawa (Obamalama lied, the republic died.)
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To: Defiant
Except...didn’t the little Ice Age start in the 1200s?

Correct. The Little Ice Age started circa 1270 - 1300, and lasted until 1850.

26 posted on 12/18/2008 9:32:13 AM PST by sima_yi ( Palin / Jindal 2012)
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To: Red Badger
"Stanford University researchers have conducted a comprehensive analysis of data detailing the amount of charcoal contained in soils and lake sediments at the sites of both pre-Columbian population centers in the Americas and in sparsely populated surrounding regions. They concluded that reforestation of agricultural lands-abandoned as the population collapsed-pulled so much carbon out of the atmosphere that it helped trigger a period of global cooling, at its most intense from approximately 1500 to 1750, known as the Little Ice Age."

Damn that Al Gore and his "carbon credit" idiocy.

Look what he's done. It's - 40 out when it should be only -11. He and his tree planting enviro geeks have brought on an ice age...

As for these so called "Scientists", it's a JOKE to consider that all the "reforested land" was somehow "aboriginal farmland". How about reforestation after recession of the great ice age? Carbon in lakes and sub souls? How about thousands of years of forest fires burning out of control year after year?
Or did Aboriginals have giant flying pelicans that they used for water bombers?

27 posted on 12/18/2008 9:34:17 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: sima_yi

Don’t let facts get in the way of hysteria.


28 posted on 12/18/2008 9:37:23 AM PST by milwguy (........)
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To: milwguy
...devastating pandemics that swept the New World during European conquest and settlement.

Also notice the attempt to blame the Little Ice Age on the evil white man!

29 posted on 12/18/2008 9:41:11 AM PST by sima_yi ( Palin / Jindal 2012)
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To: milwguy
"Don’t let facts get in the way of hysteria."

These so called 'enviro-mental "scientists" have seen how easy it was to make the sheeple believe in "Gore-bull warming", that they now feel they can say anything, no matter how ridiculous, and it will be accepted without question.

30 posted on 12/18/2008 9:42:21 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Seruzawa
I enjoyed reading this one:

http://www.marshall.org/pdf/materials/268.pdf

In case you do not like to read scientific stuff, I can give you a synopsis:

“I heat up; I cool down . . . I got the music in me.”

OR, “Hey, we can be no more certain about any of this than anyone else can.”

I also heard something on the radio today that heating causes water vapor to rise, which then turns into ice crystals which then form clouds, which then block the sunlight, which then cause cooling, which then causes a decrease in rising water vapor, which then causes fewer clouds, which then causes more sunlight to reach the Earth's surface, which then causes heating, which then causes water vapor to rise. . . .”

It's weird! Creepy even. It's like there is this CYCLE thing that is going on with the weather.

I guess no one can control the Sun, water, air, Earth, so they better control the people? Makes perfect sense to me.

31 posted on 12/18/2008 9:44:39 AM PST by shoutingandpointing
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To: Red Badger
They concluded that reforestation of agricultural lands-abandoned as the population collapsed-pulled so much carbon out of the atmosphere that it helped trigger a period of global cooling, at its most intense from approximately 1500 to 1750, known as the Little Ice Age.

OK, let me understand this: Columbus discovers some Caribbean islands in 1492. This causes a massive pandemic which in eight years kills off enough people to allow massive reforestation of abandoned farms and causes the Little Ice Age.

They should cut to the chase and just blame it on Karl Rove.

32 posted on 12/18/2008 9:51:03 AM PST by Tribune7 (Obama wants to put the same crowd that ran Fannie Mae in charge of health care)
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To: shoutingandpointing
"I also heard something on the radio today that heating causes water vapor to rise, which then turns into ice crystals which then form clouds, which then block the sunlight, which then cause cooling,"

Actually, increased cloud cover causes "global warming" especially in regions north and south of the equator(where "scientists" are crying about arctic ice melting when it's -50 outside). Water vapor (cloud cover) traps heat and prevents it from radiating out into space as fast as it does on clear cloudless days. In the arctic, it's always warmer during overcast days and especially nights, while a clear sky always results lower daytime temperatures, and rapid temperature drops when the sun dips below the horizon. You'd think this simple to see radiant loss of heat would be proof enough to these "scientists" that co2 does NOT cause global warming, that the strength of solar radiation does. The earth looses heat rapidly to space, and that the only "greenhouse gas" out there is water vapor, which is ironically an element "missing" from their computer models.

33 posted on 12/18/2008 10:02:01 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: xcamel

But, but, I thought trees are good and noble and must be planted and preserved, above human life!

Yet another pseudo-scientific theory that further muddies the clarity of the debate, I’m afraid.


34 posted on 12/18/2008 10:04:50 AM PST by alwaysconservative (We have a President-elect who believes that AGW is worse than a nuclear Iran, for heaven's sake!)
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To: An.American.Expatriate
are these “scientists” suggeting that the way to stop global warming is to reduce population?

Nearly every environmentalist is a Luddite and a Malthusian............

35 posted on 12/18/2008 10:13:02 AM PST by Red Badger (I was sad because I had no shoes to throw, until I met a reporter who had no feet.....)
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To: alwaysconservative

Here’s some more disturbing news: recycling plants are among the largest generators of pollution.


36 posted on 12/18/2008 10:20:01 AM PST by Interesting Times (For the truth about "swift boating" see ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: Red Badger
Reforestation takes place.

It gets cold

I cut down trees, build fires to stay warm

Deforestation takes place

It gets warm

I don't cut down trees to stay warm

Reforestation takes place..........

37 posted on 12/18/2008 10:20:31 AM PST by TYVets
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To: TYVets

Just like we’ve always said, it’s cyclic!............


38 posted on 12/18/2008 10:23:13 AM PST by Red Badger (I was sad because I had no shoes to throw, until I met a reporter who had no feet.....)
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To: redangus
“All environmental wacko theory is built on the idea that there are too many people.”

I think you are making a too logical assumption. :)

It should be “All environmental wacko theory is built on the idea that there are too many OF YOU people.”

The ones stating the theory don't factor themselves into what they are saying

39 posted on 12/18/2008 10:23:49 AM PST by Polynikes (Yo, homie. Is that my briefcase?)
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To: alwaysconservative
"But, but, I thought trees are good and noble and must be planted and preserved, above human life!"

What do you stand unter to get out of the sun on a hot sunny day? A tree! Isn't the sand cooler o your feet under the shade of a palm tree than the sand in the direct sun?

Therefore, trees cause global cooling. All that forest cover prevents rocks from warming up during the day and radiating their heat at night, keeping cavemen warm.

Here's a better theory. Aboriginals caused the massive deforestation spoken of in this article. they chopped down all the trees so that their caves would stay warmer.

When white man came, they planted trees around their homes they made out of all that lumber the aboriginals left laying around, plus the white man burnt it in wood stoves inside their wooden homes. The caves become cooler because of all the trees white man planted, causing aboriginals to make wig-wams and tee-pees and make fires of their own inside them to keep warm.
The first aboriginal "sweat lodge" was discovered after an aboriginal pee'd on the hot rocks around his fire because it was too hot in his wig-wam. He created a "sauna" and had "spiritual dreams" as he slept in that urine steam.

See how easy it is to create a plausible theory?

40 posted on 12/18/2008 10:28:20 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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