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[Vice President] Cheney says top congressional Democrats complicit in spying
Salon ^ | December 22, 2008 | Glenn Greenwald

Posted on 12/22/2008 8:59:18 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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There go the "war crimes" trials the nutroots were clamoring for.
1 posted on 12/22/2008 8:59:20 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As if they’ll ever be punished for anything.


2 posted on 12/22/2008 9:00:19 PM PST by Old Sarge (For the first time in my life, I am ashamed to be an American)
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"As if they’ll ever be punished for anything."

So you feel that the Bush administration should be punished for wiretaps, waterboarding, coercive interrogations, sleep deprivation and the like against jihadists and other terrorists?

3 posted on 12/22/2008 9:06:33 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Obama: In Error and arrogant -- he's errogant!)
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It’s been reported that something similar occured with the implementation of torture - Bush Administration officials developed the rationale and techniques and subsequently briefed key members of Congress, including high ranking Democrats. And either acquiescing or accepting, those Democrats chose to remain silent.

There’s plenty of reasons to doubt Mr. Cheney here. But those high ranking Congressional Democrats who were most likely briefed, including Speaker Pelosi, Rep. Harman, and Sen. Rockefeller, have a responsiblity to set the record straight. Were they complicit in the Bush Administration’s violation of the law?

http://www.examiner.com/x-243-Progressive-Politics-Examiner~y2008m12d22-Congressional-Democrats-complicit-in-illegal-surveillance


4 posted on 12/22/2008 9:09:30 PM PST by jessduntno (Barack - Kenyan for "High Wind, Big Thunder, No Rain")
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To: jessduntno

Was I beamed to DU, Kos or HuffPo?


5 posted on 12/22/2008 9:12:52 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Obama: In Error and arrogant -- he's errogant!)
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Bush defends NSA spying program (2006)

Senators back hearings as president explains campaign remarks

WASHINGTON (CNN) — President Bush on Sunday defended his administration’s use of wiretaps on U.S. citizens without a court order, saying comments he made in 2004 that “nothing has changed” in the use of wiretaps were not misleading.

He also said that the recent exposure of the clandestine wiretapping program — which set off a storm of criticism and controversy — harms the country.

Democratic and Republican senators on Sunday expressed support for congressional hearings to review the program, which President Bush secretly authorized shortly after the September 11 attacks.

It allows the National Security Agency to intercept domestic communications without a warrant, as long as one party is outside the United States.

The president has come under heated criticism from many lawmakers, particularly Democrats, who have questioned the legality of the program.

Critics say that judicial checks and balances are a critical part of government and that the courts have a record of supporting presidential requests for wiretaps important for U.S. security.

Bush on Sunday described his program as “necessary to win this war and to protect the American people,” and added that the program has been reviewed “constantly” by Justice Department officials.

He said Congress has been briefed about it, although some lawmakers have denied being informed of the program.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/01/01/nsa.spying/index.html


6 posted on 12/22/2008 9:13:49 PM PST by jessduntno (Barack - Kenyan for "High Wind, Big Thunder, No Rain")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A combination?


7 posted on 12/22/2008 9:15:17 PM PST by jessduntno (Barack - Kenyan for "High Wind, Big Thunder, No Rain")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

not only that but Democrats voted for the war in Iraq


8 posted on 12/22/2008 9:17:57 PM PST by woofie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ll take Dick Cheney’s word over anything I’ve ever seen in Salon. He has more honor and love of country in his lower left incisor than Obama has in his entire wretched body.


9 posted on 12/22/2008 9:18:20 PM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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Coincidentally. I have been looking again at “The Winds of War.” which depicts FDR acting in plain violation of existing law. It would also not surprise me to learn that the FBI had a wiretap on every American with known connections with Germany. War aint beanbag.


10 posted on 12/22/2008 9:20:42 PM PST by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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My German-American Grandmother took in boarders during WWII for extra money. One was a young man in his late twenties. After a month or so living there, he came out and told them that he was an FBI agent and that they had passed with flying colors.


11 posted on 12/22/2008 9:27:18 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Obama: In Error and arrogant -- he's errogant!)
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"It is certainly true that Dick Cheney is not exactly the most scrupulously honest public servant around. In fact, he's almost certainly the opposite."

Prove it.

12 posted on 12/22/2008 9:28:11 PM PST by goodnesswins ("Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" said Hillary Clinton. I'll be REALLY patriotic!)
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To: jessduntno

if this guy want to prosecute people for not following rules, how about start with Obama and the Democratic party for electing an illegal immigrant to the office of president?

Or is it we are to pick and choose which rules need to be followed and which are not important?

If so, seems a whole lot more important to eavesdrop and protect the US citizens, than it is to allow foreigners to infiltrate our country, to be elected to office, and to give amnesty to any foreigner person on the planet to vote against the US citizens interests, like the democratic party is doing right now!


13 posted on 12/22/2008 9:34:06 PM PST by seastay
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"a blatantly illegal domestic spying program"

That's false.

A warrant is not required to tap the lines of an AQ operative in Afghanistan talking to another AQ operative in Saudi Arabia when the call happens to be switched through an American router.

That's not domestic spying. Neither of those dudes has rights under the constitution.

14 posted on 12/22/2008 9:40:10 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Women were treated like livestock by Mohammad, so Allah must want women treated like cows forever.)
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"allows the National Security Agency to intercept domestic communications without a warrant, as long as one party is outside the United States."

So you're tapping the phone of said AQ dude in Afghanistan, when suddently he calls his illegal immigrant buddy Achmed in Detroit. Is it legal to tap said phone call?

I sure hope so!

15 posted on 12/22/2008 9:43:08 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Women were treated like livestock by Mohammad, so Allah must want women treated like cows forever.)
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It is certainly true that Dick Cheney is not exactly the most scrupulously honest public servant around.

Says who? The writer of this column? He makes this statement without backing it up with any proof. It seems like more of the same from the libs, repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth.

16 posted on 12/22/2008 9:51:45 PM PST by Major Matt Mason (You can't shame the shameless.)
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a police don’t need a warrent to enter a house if he see someone breaking into a house. Its the same principle. The police can’t just lie and say he saw someone breaking into the house. In that case he is abusing his power thus illegal. Bush can’t just wiretap anyone he wants without cause related to Al Qaeda terrorism. An abused would be like Britian PM who used his country terrorism law by locking out an ireland bank on issues not related to terrorism


17 posted on 12/22/2008 9:58:16 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I have a real problem with warrantless surveillance of US citizens. GWB may have had the best of intentions in doing this, but it is one more brick in the road to oppression.

I noticed the Rat leaders were all for this illegal activity, so I can assume that they will continue this policy & perhaps expand it.

If I recall, the Rats don't regard Hamas or Hezbollah as terrorists, Mumia Abu Jamal does not deserve jail for killing a cop, & Code Pink & ACORN are patriotic organizations. Oh, & the gitmo slugs are not so much terrorists as just plain ol’ criminals who deserve all the benefits of our judicial system.

On the other hand, they believe US Marines are cold blooded murderers, as is the President, Christians are hatemongers, & Israel is a racist state, as are all white people. The heroes of the left - Castro, Chavez, Carter, Hollywood - have all identified GWB & the USA as being the real terrorists.

Seems to me that now that the Rats have the White House & Congress, the idea of who is or is not a terrorist might very well change. Those we consider patriots might be the next “terrorists”.

So, let us all hope the illegal surveillance continues! Right? The gov’t (especially the Rats) would never use this against political or ideological opponents! Right? It will ONLY be use to catch terrorists! Right?

But, just WHO is a terrorist in the eyes of Obama, Reid, & Pelosi? Hamas or Israel? Al Qaeda or the US Marines? A Christian or a queer?

Coming soon to a communication device near you!

18 posted on 12/22/2008 11:25:11 PM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To read the best post on FR of the day, please look above at Mister Da’s comment.


19 posted on 12/22/2008 11:44:31 PM PST by AmericanGirlRising (Saving plastic bags and buying carbon credits will not get me into Heaven.)
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I have a real problem with warrantless surveillance of US citizens. GWB may have had the best of intentions in doing this, but it is one more brick in the road to oppression.

I just have to laugh, though it isnt funny at all. Just think boys and girls, the mighty zero and company, (corrupt Chicago style, knuckle dragging liberal politicians) now have the reigns of ALL the stuff Bush instituted to protect the US from terrorism....not a pretty picture.

20 posted on 12/22/2008 11:51:20 PM PST by Snurple (VEGETARIAN, OLD INDIAN WORD FOR BAD HUNTER.)
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