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Granite formation: catastrophic in its suddenness (science gets closer to biblical record)
CMI ^ | Tas Walker

Posted on 01/16/2009 8:09:59 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

Clemens’s overview of the latest findings on the origin of granite demonstrates that the geological evidence is leading to models that are consistent with the biblical record...

(Excerpt) Read more at creationontheweb.com ...


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KEYWORDS: creation; evolution; granite; intelligentdesign
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1 posted on 01/16/2009 8:10:00 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

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2 posted on 01/16/2009 8:10:29 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Clemens’s overview of the latest findings on the origin of granite demonstrates that the geological evidence is leading to models that are consistent with the biblical record...

So what about granitic intrusions into metamorphized rock in Colorado? What about pegmatites in Colorado with massive crystals due to very slow cooling deep in the Earth? And what of the uplift and erosional processes that now have that granite exposed at the surface? What of sequences of granitic intrusions in eastern North America that are associated with the Great Meteor hot spot that is now well out in the Atlantic Ocean? What about the seamounts that progress from the Hawaii hot spot all the way up to the Aleutian trench?

3 posted on 01/16/2009 8:16:12 AM PST by dirtboy
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From the article:

What sort of time would it take to build a huge pluton? According to Clemens, a dyke 3 m wide and 1 km long (in plan) could build a batholith of 1,000 km3 in 1,200 years.

While this is longer than the biblical timescale, remember that that Clemens is working within the uniformitarian paradigm of a 4.6-billion-year-old earth. A period of 1,200 years is probably the longest he could comfortably stretch the time. A slightly modified combination of parameters (such as dyke dimensions, magma viscosity and fluid content) would make the biblical timeframe even more plausible. ‘Huge batholiths could be created quickly with relatively small dykes or pipes that tap magma sources many kilometres to tens of kilometres below.’

Essentially, the author of the article is taking a change in scientific theory and doing a lot of extrapolation to try to fit it into his 6,000 year window. The science - even as they report it - points to a time line MUCH too long to fit to the 6,000 year window, but that doesn't stop them from assuming it can be crunched as they desire.

It's a pretty specious and speculative argument for the young earth advocates, especially when you have to essentially make stuff up and guess about what the science really is...

5 posted on 01/16/2009 8:18:37 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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Speed of formation, however, has no bearing on age.


6 posted on 01/16/2009 8:20:59 AM PST by js1138
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To: GodGunsGuts

You Bible literalists are so cute.


7 posted on 01/16/2009 8:21:44 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Essentially, the author of the article is taking a change in scientific theory and doing a lot of extrapolation to try to fit it into his 6,000 year window. The science - even as they report it - points to a time line MUCH too long to fit to the 6,000 year window, but that doesn't stop them from assuming it can be crunched as they desire.

Plus, it completely ignores the fact that a pluton is an intrusion into an existing rock mass - how old is THAT rock? Also, the intrusion may happen quickly, but it takes a long, long time to cool to solid rock.

More selective cherry-picking of facts from the Young Earth crowd. My favorite is their use of the young age of the Mississippi Delta as proof of a young Earth. Of course, they ignore there are many, many older deltas that have been abandoned by the river - and that depositional sediments from the river go all the way back to Cairo, Illinois - to the head of the Mississippi Embayment.

8 posted on 01/16/2009 8:29:18 AM PST by dirtboy
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Indeed, from a uniformitarian point of view, it happened a few minutes ago.


9 posted on 01/16/2009 8:30:21 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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While that gives come decidedly good news for us Bible believers: I'm afraid that there is no evidence to change the minds of those who believe otherwise.
10 posted on 01/16/2009 8:32:58 AM PST by Hillarys nightmare (So Proud to be living in "Jesus Land" ! Don't you wish everyone did?)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

They are just pointing out that the long-age uniformitarians keep having to revise their dates closer and closer to the biblical time frame. If this keeps up, we’ll be down to six thousand years in no time :o)


11 posted on 01/16/2009 8:33:30 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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cataclysmic earth changes every 4 thousand years or so- are consistent with what science seems to be finding out just lately about “planet X” and its orbital path and its effects on earth

http://www.december212012.com/articles/PlanetX_Nibiru/NASA_AND_PLANET_X.htm


12 posted on 01/16/2009 8:42:24 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
It's a pretty specious and speculative argument for the young earth advocates

Yes it is. But if correct, within the traditional geological time framework granite formation would now be a blink of an eye, practically instantaneous. It presents the possibility that granite formation may be much closer to the Biblical timescale than the traditional geological.

13 posted on 01/16/2009 8:42:51 AM PST by D Rider
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To: Hillarys nightmare

“While that gives come decidedly good news for us Bible believers: I’m afraid that there is no evidence to change the minds of those who believe otherwise.” ~ Hillary’s nightmare.

You embarrass yourself.

http://www.amazon.com/Science-Religion-Introduction-Alister-McGrath/dp/0631208429


14 posted on 01/16/2009 8:43:25 AM PST by Matchett-PI ("Every free act transcends matter, which is why any form of materialism is anti-liberty" - Gagdad)
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To: Hillarys nightmare

Who are you to say that others don’t believe the Bible simply because they don’t follow your literal interpretation?


15 posted on 01/16/2009 8:43:34 AM PST by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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Creation Science is gaining new converts all the time—to include scientists. Sure, many of those who already have their minds made up will be difficult to pursuade, but I have read testimony after testimony of formerly evolutionist scientists and laypeople who have torn up their Temple of Darwin membership cards once exposed to the scientific evidence supporting the Bible’s historical account of God’s creation.


16 posted on 01/16/2009 8:43:53 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Unanticipated problem with the billions of years vs. thousands of years debate—

Relativity.

Time is not a constant, it is a variable. If you are traveling near the speed of light, time slows down for you (so that you will age less than those going at lesser speeds)

Ergo, on one scale, one person might “age” 50 years (50 years will pass); whereas for another, only one year will pass.

So the same event might take more or less time, depending on the time scale/frame being used.


17 posted on 01/16/2009 8:44:09 AM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
make stuff up and guess about what the science really is...

A perfect description......of those ensnared by the Religion Of Evolution.

18 posted on 01/16/2009 8:49:07 AM PST by Cedric
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To: GodGunsGuts

Too bad most of the growth is coming from islamic scientists.


19 posted on 01/16/2009 8:53:30 AM PST by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Here is a view that many overlook:
Dr.Gerald Schroeder Genesis & The Big Bang Theory

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

20 posted on 01/16/2009 9:13:23 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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