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Branch Davidian leader Koresh’s mother stabbed to death by his aunt
The Waco Tribune-Herald ^ | 1/24/09 | Associated Press

Posted on 01/24/2009 3:14:47 PM PST by LA Woman3

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To: svcw; humblegunner
You believe in prophets who smoke pot and shag kids?,p> Paaaaaleeeezzz, you may think you are being funny but you are not.

Actually, humblegunner was making a factual statement. Koresh did those things, plus drink a lot of booze.

21 posted on 01/24/2009 4:09:28 PM PST by xJones
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To: fella

Just because Janet Reno (”the government”) was demon possessed is no reason for Howell to not also be demon possessed.


22 posted on 01/24/2009 4:10:25 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: humblegunner

I’m not the one demonizing folks while repeating govt media propaganda and hearsay. You are.

Where’s the front door?


23 posted on 01/24/2009 4:19:46 PM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: xJones; humblegunner
I would agree with the statement if he had not accused me of believing Koresh was a prophet. That was my point.
24 posted on 01/24/2009 4:22:23 PM PST by svcw (Great selection of gift baskets: http://baskettastic.com/)
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To: encm(ss); xJones
References ? http://www.google.com/search?q=martin+luther+thousand++times+murder+adultery
25 posted on 01/24/2009 4:27:06 PM PST by festus (Politics makes for strange bedfellows)
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To: xJones
(Plus I'd like to know how anyone could physically kill people, plus have sex 1000 times a day. Talk about busy....)

Maybe if Wilt Chamberlain set off a bomb in Times Square...

26 posted on 01/24/2009 4:29:22 PM PST by RPTMS
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To: encm(ss)

Encm, if you are going to be so ignorant, could not put USN Retired behind your name...gives the Navy a bad rap. You can’t even spell, for heaven’s sake.

Mary/TX wife of a retired Naval Officer


27 posted on 01/24/2009 4:32:18 PM PST by fourdny2 (God Bless The USA and GWB)
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To: LA Woman3

Another tragedy........another series of incondite, glib and tasteless comments.......

Is there some sort of Obama osmosis goin’ on?

FReepers getting kreepy!!!!!


28 posted on 01/24/2009 4:34:21 PM PST by sodpoodle
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To: muawiyah

“Howell took care of his own demonization ~ when he brought black powder and powdered aluminum into the church home he definitely made a (s)tatement.”

You are free to drink the govt kool aid. Just don’t pass any my way and expect me to drink it.

When it comes to the RTKBA, it’s good to know one’s enemies. Thanks for the heads up.


29 posted on 01/24/2009 4:35:10 PM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: LA Woman3

RIP.


30 posted on 01/24/2009 4:36:55 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: festus
Back during the Reformation it could become exceedingly dangerous for a Reformer to speak ill of the RC hierarchy and its justifications if the local protective prince continued to be a devout Catholic.

As a consequence you'll find a vast body of Reformist condemnation of "Jews". However, if you take a really close look at what they're saying, it's actually about the RC hierarchy and any claims it might make as successor to the Temple in Jerusalem. Which means, of course, that the complaint is about the RC hierarchy and not the Jews.

It's kind of like the rage expressed by Democrats in 2006 over a couple of Republican homosexuals. Probably a big surprise to everybody that any Democrats at all were concerned with homosexual misbehavior, but there it was.

In short, without a good grounding in the history of the Reformation it's probably dangerous to take any of this stuff at face value ~ besides which, if it involves Luther, it's being translated out of German, only then a language being tied down in its written form.

31 posted on 01/24/2009 4:38:22 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: encm(ss)

“No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to
kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day.”

http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/wittenberg/luther/letsinsbe.txt


32 posted on 01/24/2009 4:40:47 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: fourdny2; encm(ss)

“Encm, if you are going to be so ignorant, could not put USN Retired behind your name...gives the Navy a bad rap. You can’t even spell, for heaven’s sake.”

The above is a perfect example of why a poster should not attempt to berate another for typos.


33 posted on 01/24/2009 4:46:08 PM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: takenoprisoner
Look, the guy bought the stuff. It was delivered. It was on the premises.

He also bought empty grenade housings for "thermite grenades".

That was a lawful activity. Millions of businesses have these grenades to protect important business papers from thieves.

As far as having machineguns, no one ever saw any convincing evidence that he did, in fact, have working machineguns. Even Chucky Schumer couldn't lay his hands on one. The FBI/ATF complex gave Chucky a weapon they said "looked like" one Howell owned.

You just know that when Chucky Schumer can't lay his hands on something it didn't exist.

34 posted on 01/24/2009 4:47:00 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

You wrote:

“Look, some of us are really, really, really dense and don’t quite understand why a Catholic would want to stab Howell’s mother anyway.”

A Catholic wouldn’t want to stab Howell’s mother. The a$$hat anti-Catholic is an attack on Catholics’ beliefs about the Virgin Mary being God’s mother (being Jesus’ mother, that is).

It would seem to me that any aware person would have gotten that.

“So you’ll have to explain this in terms of “pro” and “anti” Catholic innuendos.”

No. You’ll just have to make do. If you don’t get it by now, just move on.

“You did know Howell’s maternal grandmother (or great grandmother) was a member of the Church of the First Born, and I think I know more about that group than you do anyway.”

So what? Would that excuse humblegunner’s comment? No.


35 posted on 01/24/2009 4:50:41 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: skeeter

You can always read things like this if you believe Koresh’s rape of little girls didn’t happen:

http://www.rickross.com/reference/waco/waco4.html


36 posted on 01/24/2009 4:53:17 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: fourdny2

Judgement.


37 posted on 01/24/2009 4:55:43 PM PST by encm(ss) (USN Ret.)
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To: D-fendr

Thanks for the reference.

I know and believe that we are saved by grace alone, not by good works. I just wanted a reference.

Pardon my typographical errors.


38 posted on 01/24/2009 5:08:54 PM PST by encm(ss) (USN Ret.)
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To: muawiyah
Are you saying Luther is talking about Christians here?
""Listen, Jew, are you aware that Jerusalem and your sovereignty, together with your temple and priesthood, have been destroyed for over 1,460 years?" For this year, which we Christians write as the year 1542 since the birth of Christ, is exactly 1,468 years, going on fifteen hundred years, since Vespasian and Titus destroyed Jerusalem and expelled the Jews from the city. Let the Jews bite on this nut and dispute this question as long as they wish."

…In short, as has already been said, do not engage much in debate with Jews about the articles of our faith. From their youth they have been so nurtured with venom and rancor against our Lord that there is no hope until they reach the point where their misery finally makes them pliable and they are forced to confess that the Messiah has come, and that he is our Jesus. Until such a time it is much too early, yes, it is useless to argue with them about how God is triune, how he became man, and how Mary is the mother of God.

…Therefore, God has to endure that in their synagogues, their prayers, songs, doctrines, and their whole life, they come and stand before him and plague him grievously

… No one can take away from them their pride concerning their blood and their descent from Israel. In the Old Testament they lost many a battle in wars over this matter, though no Jew understands this.

… Even if the Jews were as holy as their fathers Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob themselves, yes, even if they were angels in heaven, on account of such a prayer they would have to be hurled into the abyss of hell. How much less will such prayers deliver them from their exile and return them to Jerusalem!

Now you can see what fine children of Abraham the Jews really are, how well they take after their father, yes, what a fine people of God they are. They boast before God of their physical birth and of the noble blood inherited from their fathers, despising all other people, although God regards them in all these respects as dust and ashes and damned by birth the same as all other heathen…

On the Jews and Their Lies by Martin Luther
39 posted on 01/24/2009 5:09:14 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: McLynnan

Ping!


40 posted on 01/24/2009 5:15:18 PM PST by LA Woman3
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