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1 posted on 01/26/2009 11:48:44 PM PST by smoothsailing
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Call me a commie but I don’t see how relocating a prison and doing away with waterboarding means the end of the WoT. Does it impede the WoT? Arguably; I think the jury is still out on waterboarding’s effectiveness. Let’s not all lose our heads like the Democrats did over Bush.

That said, this seems to me to be either a lateral move or a very tiny step backwards, not a full fledged white flag. Let’s wait until he *really* screws up.


2 posted on 01/26/2009 11:56:08 PM PST by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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Again..., the record shows that all too often we in this country are too lenient with our enemies — whether it's Cold War traitors or today's cutthroat killers who are defended by the Loonies who form the base that helped put Barack Obama into the White House.

Now, they can't wait for the new president to shut down Gitmo and set bloodthirsty terrorists onto American streets. Many of these people think America deserves the problem. They blame us for the Cold War and for the current war to defend ourselves against Islamofascism.

President Obama talked a big game in the campaign about shutting down Guantanamo Bay, and he is now under the gun from the crazed sector of his party to deliver. If he fails, they will turn against him. If he does as they say, and some innocent is killed as a result, his future is toast. As Osama bin Laden himself has said, his army of killers would use our own laws against us.

On another note, the Arab/Islamofacist terrorist response to Present Obama's first interview with the media (Arab Media BTW) was that they are glad that we aren't fighting Islamofacism anymore, but just those horrible Al Qaida terrorists.

The guy I heard also mentioned that they were glad that Obama reached out to the Muslims and mentioned that (part of) his family is Muslim.

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With the cry of "Death to America!" heard in Mosques right in the heart of Middle America, who will be allowed to keep an eye on that incitement to violence and terror before it actually happens? The same people who are holding Obama's feet to the fire on Gitmo wouldn't tolerate that, either.

Also, if a competent domestic counterintelligence agency were set up, would there be a wall between it and the political forces that influence the politicians who hold its purse strings? They tried that (on the international level) with the CIA, and look what happened in the Valerie Plame case.

Bill Clinton, during his two terms, emasculated our National Security (not to mention downsizing our military dramatically) by not allowing the FBI, CIA etc communicate with each other in an effective manner.

That IMO was pretty much the beginning of allowing terrorists to effect the 911 attack.

The question

How many more 9/11s will it take to bring America to the point where it can deal with its enemies — be they traitors who make enemy weapons that kill our soldiers, or the "Death to America" crowd? Do we have to wait until suicide bombers come to these shores? Or will Osama bin laden continue to use our own laws against us?

Justice Robert Jackson once said the Constitution is not a suicide document.

We indeed do live in interesting times.


4 posted on 01/27/2009 12:43:40 AM PST by Syncro (Ti Ming -- Use Liberally)
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10 posted on 01/27/2009 1:17:38 AM PST by GOP Poet
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Bush’s definition of WOT?

More a BDSing spreading to cover for cowardice and surrender to terror in PC good looking pseudopatriotic ways.

The American people are going to have to stop using substitutes and PC for convenience.

By the way, since Bush does not fight for principles, this has turned to RDS, RushLimbaugh Derangement Syndrome, started by Obama... and then “they came for me and none were there for me...”


14 posted on 01/27/2009 1:30:30 AM PST by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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"Why we are helpless dealing with enemies on our own soil"

Wes Vernon should be asking the question, "Why are we helpless at dealing with enemies on our own soil?" When we've done the following on the enemy's soil, we'll be able to do it on our own.

Denazification, cumulative review. Report, 1 April 1947-30 April 1948.

As long as our Nation has no will to fight a real war, the unthinkable will continue to become nearer. Do you see that, sirs (our most brilliant high-ranking officers)? I mentioned the "unthinkable," because you are cowering!

..."light intensity," my... Do your duty!


24 posted on 01/27/2009 3:51:57 AM PST by familyop (LIC this!)
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Because we are so united in our tolerance and empowered in our diversity.


25 posted on 01/27/2009 3:53:37 AM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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Bump for later reading.


27 posted on 01/27/2009 4:36:03 AM PST by Nateman (You know you are doing the right thing when liberals scream.)
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Question: Why we are helpless dealing with enemies on our own soil?

Answer: Because we keep electing them.

Mark

30 posted on 01/27/2009 5:01:50 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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I’ve been in favor of the Thai approach, for quite some time.
Do whatever you gotta do to these bass turds to get them to talk, then, load them on a barge or some type of floating meat-wagon. Sail them a 350 miles ENE of Cuba... chum the water... feed the fish!
I’ve always been very protective of the American way of life, and pledged 3 years to it’s defense.
F the liberals... full steam ahead.

MississippiSteve


31 posted on 01/27/2009 5:37:48 AM PST by MS_Steve
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