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Smells like Smoot-Hawley (Second Great Depression a comin')
Hotair Blog ^ | 1/29/09 | Ed Morissey

Posted on 01/29/2009 7:22:27 PM PST by Crazieman

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To: Clemenza

Actually it is the only sound argument....

Do you really think it is better for Communist China to buy our t-bills and bank accounts? That money would be better served being held by Americans.

The global reality is that the US has a multi-trillion dollar trade deficit. Even if that money is reinvested into the US...it is still held by non-Americans...our economy is at the mercy of foreigners

And Communist China isnt exactly “friendly” with the USA.

Also, Communist China keeps American exports from being sold in China...as China floats their currency to artificially lower the value of their domestic goods...and keeping US goods artifically high.

Actually....the Free Trade Globalism you espouse is the “Third Way”....you should familiarize yourself more with “Third Way” before making that accusation.

The reality is that Free Trade Globalism does not work....will not work...and will never work.


61 posted on 01/29/2009 9:38:39 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Open Borders should be only for bookstores, not the third world hellhole known as Mexico)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

The Third Way, first articulated by the likes of Joseph Broz Tito and Juan Peron (with its roots in Mussolini’s Italy) emphasized economic nationalism (via import substitution) as a “third way” between laissez faire capitalism and communism.


62 posted on 01/29/2009 9:41:43 PM PST by Clemenza (Red is the Color of Virility, Blue is the Color of Impotence)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
The Smoot-Hawley Myth is probably the biggest fraud perpetuated by the Free Trader-Globalist cabal.

The globalists love to come out with that trinket talisman every time they get a whiff of protectionism coming. If protectionism was so bad, then how did we manage to grow so powerful while it was a significant part of US economic policy? By the end of the Civil War, which was far more about tariffs than about slavery, we had achieved a level of industrial and military power that had the British trembling with fear. Little of the industrial base that enabled the protectionist Union to smash the free-trade Confederacy would've existed without the protectionism that made sure those industries could grow.

63 posted on 01/29/2009 9:43:12 PM PST by neutronsgalore (ROPERS DELENDA EST!!!)
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To: Clemenza

Really? Third Way politics have been around a long time. In fact the Mennonites are major proponents and advocates of Third Way politics.

Third Way has nothing to do with economic nationalism...you think Bill Clinton (probably the biggest US proponent of Third Way politics) was some sort of economic nationalist...With his wife? Uh yeah right


64 posted on 01/29/2009 10:06:36 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Open Borders should be only for bookstores, not the third world hellhole known as Mexico)
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To: neutronsgalore

Excellent points...

The British were the first European power to advocate Free Trade in the 19th C....and it led to the protectionist United States and protectionist Germany surpassing the British in manufacturing and GDP by the end of the century. The British went from THE economic power to getting bypassed by relatively new nations (Germany only formed as a nation in 1871).

The “protectionist” system has historically been successful...whereas the Free Trade model has not.


65 posted on 01/29/2009 10:12:06 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Open Borders should be only for bookstores, not the third world hellhole known as Mexico)
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To: Crazieman

Sigh....
We’d all love to be able to “Buy American” as a choice. Bill’s Khaki’s, Carhartt, Vera Bradley, etc....We can support America and Americans. But it has to be by choice!

We should instead entice American companies to come home and employ people by:

1) Drastically lowering corporate taxes
2) Passing a national right to work law
3) Addressing illegal immigration by closing the borders and kicking them OUT!


66 posted on 01/29/2009 10:14:28 PM PST by GatorGirl (Proud member of the Gator Nation!)
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To: cripplecreek

I second that.


67 posted on 01/29/2009 10:25:13 PM PST by Pelham (Beheading is just a different way of expressing ones relational milieu)
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To: GatorGirl

We should replace the corporate income tax with the VAT. That would put American manufacturing on a more even field with foreign competitors.


68 posted on 01/29/2009 10:32:17 PM PST by Pelham (Beheading is just a different way of expressing ones relational milieu)
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To: Crazieman
George Soros, The Billionaire Investor, Has Been Selling Off Sterling

George Soros, the billionaire investor famed for "breaking the Bank of England" has launched another assault in recent months, cashing in as Britain's currency slid.

By Edmund Conway in Davos
Last Updated: 9:09PM GMT 28 Jan 2009

The hedge fund manager, whose assault on sterling in 1992 was seen as responsible for causing the UK to leave the Exchange Rate Mechanism and forcing up interest rates to double-digit levels, said he had been selling off sterling in recent months.

It comes with experts warning that the slide in the pound over the past year has been the worst ever seen by the UK currency, and with others predicting that the UK may have to seek emergency funding from the International Monetary Fund as a result.

Speaking at the World Economic Forum in the Alpine Swiss town of Davos, Mr Soros said he had foreseen the recent fall in the pound, which has slid from over $2 against the dollar to below $1.40 in recent weeks.

However, he indicated that he did not expect it to fall much further - a comment which caused sterling to leap yesterday by more than 1 per cent to almost $1.44.

Mr Soros said: "I did actually have a short position in sterling and it was one of the trades I carried out. But sterling did fall from around $2 to about $1.40 and at that level the risk-reward balance is no longer compelling. I'm not saying won't fall any more though - it will continue to fluctuate"

Mr Soros also warned that the scale of the current economic crisis was now potentially even worse than the Great Depression in the 1930s and urged Western nations to set up "bad banks" to absorb their toxic assets.

69 posted on 01/30/2009 5:39:16 AM PST by blam
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To: Freedom Dignity n Honor

The truth is always in style.


70 posted on 01/30/2009 9:36:26 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: Crazieman

I’d like to see a cartoon of Obama and Pelosi stealing televisions and stereos out of a store called “Future Generations”.


71 posted on 01/30/2009 9:38:01 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: Age of Reason

That’s loopy.


72 posted on 01/30/2009 3:24:20 PM PST by dr_who
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To: Crazieman

bump


73 posted on 01/30/2009 3:27:07 PM PST by Centurion2000 (01-20-2009 : The end of the PAX AMERICANA.)
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To: Crazieman

bump for later.


74 posted on 01/30/2009 3:27:50 PM PST by Centurion2000 (01-20-2009 : The end of the PAX AMERICANA.)
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To: org.whodat

People we do not have a shortage of goods to buy, the general population is so deep in debt they cannot afford to buy.

The average American household’s credit card debt in 1990 was $2,966. In 2007 it was $9,840.

Free trade is not the reason Americans are in debt. That is a complete lie.

Americans are in debt due to materialism and the breakdown of morality.

Too many people want "things" they cannot afford or just want to keep up with friends.

THAT is why Americans are in debt.

75 posted on 01/30/2009 3:39:42 PM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Pelham
We should replace the corporate income tax with the VAT. That would put American manufacturing on a more even field with foreign competitors.

No, the VAT is just another "behind-the-scenes" tax that consumers do not see. Governments use the VAT destructively while the corporations get the blame for high prices.

The only true answer is a sales tax that everyone sees on their bill and pays for at the time of transaction. Only then will people wake up to how much they are sending to Washington.

76 posted on 01/30/2009 3:47:11 PM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Free trade is not the reason Americans are in debt. That is a complete lie.

Would you please show where I said that it was. Thank YOU!!

77 posted on 01/30/2009 4:06:34 PM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
Good post & great tagline!
78 posted on 01/30/2009 4:19:42 PM PST by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: org.whodat

Free trade and open borders brought us here.

People we do not have a shortage of goods to buy, the general population is so deep in debt they cannot afford to buy.

The average American household’s credit card debt in 1990 was $2,966. In 2007 it was $9,840.

The above is from YOUR post #28

79 posted on 01/30/2009 4:31:43 PM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
That is correct and my statement was in regards to the depressing of wages, from the open borders and illegals.
80 posted on 01/30/2009 5:12:32 PM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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