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Land and population swap that Lieberman offers - exchange of the Arab towns within 1967 line for Jewish towns outside of the line - would require no person to physically move. The borders would move around the people.

Fridtjof Nansen (the League of Nations' first High Commissioner for Refugees and Nobel Peace Prize winner in 1922 for his work with refugees after the WWI and Russian revolution) helped Greece and Turkey to disengage and transfer across the border 1.5 mln Greeks and 0.5 mln Turks - which was regarded as a great achievement that saved untold lives. 

In that acclaimed case people had to move, in the Lieberman proposal - not. Lieberman's critics are of that type who say NO to a reasonable solution until situation deteriorates to untenable and no good solutions exist anymore.

11 posted on 02/24/2009 8:48:12 AM PST by Tolik
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First, American Jews shouldn't be concerned, they don't live there.

As I understand it, Lieberman's proposal is for an exchange of territory, which makes complete sense. It wouldn't strip Arab citizens of their citizenship, though it would require moving if they live in one of the exchanged areas. They have a choice, they can move. And if they're in one of the unexchanged area, they're not impacted.

The attention should be on Jews in the West Bank who are in a different situation. Israel, the United States, and the Euros will be creating a state harsher than the Reich in the 1930s. As in Gaza, Jews will be required to leave. Or they'll be killed, the government of the new apartheid state being unwilling to protect them. Christians can stay, and look forward to the same future as Christians in Gaza.

A land swap makes perfect sense, though it would be unnecessary were we actually supporting the creation of a modern, humane, democratic state, in which case Jews could simply stay where they are.

Bibi is right that economic development is the key, mix in political development, and that it will be years, imo decades, before a state is really viable. Which won't prevent anyone for pressing for it earlier.

12 posted on 02/24/2009 8:58:49 AM PST by SJackson (a tax cut is non-targetedÂ…no guaranteeÂ…theyÂ’re free to invest anywhere that they want, J Kerry)
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To: Tolik
The Little Triangle that is home to 90% of Israel's Arabs would be ceded to the PA in exchange for most of Judea and Samaria that is home to Israel's Jews. It would be a straight population for population swap. It is both democratic and fair. Both sides get what they want. The Arabs don't have to live in a country they cannot identify with and the Jews come under the sovereignty of a country they do want to be part of. There's nothing racist about it - it is plain old-fashioned common sense.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

18 posted on 02/24/2009 10:06:52 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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