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A-4 Skyhawk Sticks Around
The Strategy Page . Com ^ | 3/3/09

Posted on 03/03/2009 9:42:33 AM PST by llevrok

March 3, 2009: Israel is now planning to replace its current advanced jet trainer, elderly A-4 light bombers, with its older F-16s. Israel had been shopping for a new trainer, and planned to scrap the remaining A-4s when a replacement was found. But now the plan is to keep the A-4s in use for at least another five years, then phase in the use of older F-16s as trainer aircraft. So now, after four decades of use, Israel is finally getting rid of the last of its U.S. made A-4 Skyhawk light bombers. Israel bought over 200 in the 1960s and 70s, and lost 53 to ground fire and missiles during the 1973 war. Later, most were sold or retired. The remaining 22 are used for pilot training. But some of these have crashed, as the A-4 isn't a great trainer aircraft, given their age and high maintenance cost.

When Israel bought the second-hand U.S. A-4s, it did so because the aircraft cost a quarter what an F-4 fighter-bomber did, and could carry as many weapons. Thus the heavy losses in the 1973 war (because Israel underestimated the capabilities of new Russian surface-to-air missile systems, and numerous anti-aircraft gun systems, the Arabs now had).

The 11 ton A-4 could carry about four tons of bombs, along with two 20mm autocannon. Smart bombs make it unnecessary to have a lot of fighter-bombers, much less lower cost light bombers like the A-4. Thus the use of A-4s as pilot training aircraft, a job they were not really designed for, but performed adequately at. Ultimately, Israel will have used A-4s for nearly half a century by the time the last of them are gone.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: navair; warbird
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1 posted on 03/03/2009 9:42:33 AM PST by llevrok
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To: llevrok

It’s a remarkably durable design when operated by a pilot other than McCain.


2 posted on 03/03/2009 9:45:44 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: llevrok

I love the “Scooter”.


3 posted on 03/03/2009 9:50:20 AM PST by Mr. Jazzy (No greater friend, no worse enemy -The United States Marine Corps.)
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To: llevrok

Pound per pound, the most impressive aircraft I yet seen

4 posted on 03/03/2009 9:50:28 AM PST by oyez (People! You're being pimped!)
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To: llevrok

I always liked the cockpit ashtray.


5 posted on 03/03/2009 9:50:48 AM PST by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

My thoughts exactly.


6 posted on 03/03/2009 10:00:07 AM PST by newbolt
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To: llevrok

They are also a remarkably agile aircraft when not loaded.


7 posted on 03/03/2009 10:01:14 AM PST by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got Seven? [NRA Life Member])
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To: llevrok

Great single pilot a/c. Easy to fly, easy on and off the ship. You don’t really get in the Scooter, you kinda put it on.


8 posted on 03/03/2009 10:07:09 AM PST by newbolt
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To: Joe 6-pack

John McCain was hardly the only A4 jock to get shot down.


9 posted on 03/03/2009 10:08:25 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: llevrok
Three cheers for Heinemann's Hot-Rod!


10 posted on 03/03/2009 10:09:02 AM PST by Mat_Helm
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To: rmh47
They are also a remarkably agile aircraft when not loaded.

So was Ted Kennedy...

11 posted on 03/03/2009 10:10:05 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Mr. Jazzy

In the Navy’s Air launched Weapons School we trained on the A-4. Loved em. Was told the pilots did not fly the A-4, they just strapped one to their butt and went for an amazing ride.


12 posted on 03/03/2009 10:13:42 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: llevrok

Skypig ping! Worked 4 years on these jewels; they can carry a HUGE amount of ordnance on them, if configured properly. Removing and re-installing the cannon were a *^&% tho...especially in a South Korean winter. :-)


13 posted on 03/03/2009 10:18:00 AM PST by WVRockDJ (Mountaineer by birth; USMC by choice; Christian by Grace.)
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To: NavyCanDo
they just strapped one to their butt and went for an amazing ride.

I am not a flier and am so envious of all you you who flew planes like the A-4. It sounds like a doozie!! (in my book anything fast and loud is fun)

14 posted on 03/03/2009 10:40:13 AM PST by llevrok (Feral Conservative)
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To: llevrok
One of the fictional generals, I believe it was Stonebraker (of William Tunner fame) was talking about the gooney birds. This was in the (Leon Uris) book Armageddon about the Berlin Airlift. General Stonebraker said the Gooney Bird was a venerable craft and he hated to see it lose its dignity, stated as the Skymasters were taking over Airlift responsibilities.

I believe the A-4 might just fall into the same category, although regarding an entirely different genre.

15 posted on 03/03/2009 11:07:07 AM PST by stevem
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To: magslinger

ping


16 posted on 03/03/2009 11:32:19 AM PST by Vroomfondel
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To: llevrok

The Brazilians use A-4s (that they purchased from Kuwait) on their one aircraft carrier (that they purchased from France), at least in theory.


17 posted on 03/03/2009 11:48:54 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Vroomfondel; SC Swamp Fox; Fred Hayek; NY Attitude; P3_Acoustic; Bean Counter; investigateworld; ...
SONOBUOY PING!

I don't normally post articles about an aircraft type used by the Navy unless the naval use is mentioned, but you just don't see very many articles about Skyhawks these days.

Click on pic for past Navair pings.

Post or FReepmail me if you wish to be enlisted in or discharged from the Navair Pinglist.
The only requirement for inclusion in the Navair Pinglist is an interest in Naval Aviation.
This is a medium to low volume pinglist.

18 posted on 03/03/2009 12:21:27 PM PST by magslinger (I talk to myself but sometimes I like a third opinion.)
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To: WVRockDJ
Skypig ping! Worked 4 years on these jewels; they can carry a HUGE amount of ordnance on them, if configured properly. Removing and re-installing the cannon were a *^&% tho...especially in a South Korean winter. :-)

Really? I had thought the operation was not that dissimilar from changing scopes on a rifle. ;)

19 posted on 03/03/2009 12:26:22 PM PST by magslinger (I talk to myself but sometimes I like a third opinion.)
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To: NavyCanDo

called the Scooter .. Flew once with VC-5 NAS CUBI..


20 posted on 03/03/2009 12:29:01 PM PST by Broker ( Pakikisama)
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