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1 posted on 03/09/2009 9:18:58 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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2 posted on 03/09/2009 9:20:54 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Good post!

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The United States Department of Agriculture has been conducting research to enable populations of saltwater pompano and cobia—also known as black kingfish or black salmon—to thrive inland in fresher waters.2 Remarkably, pompano have been raised successfully in water with five parts salt per thousand, quite a bit less than the ocean’s ever-increasing salt concentration of 35 parts per thousand.3

The ability of pompano to adapt to such a different salinity so quickly—being modern products of thousands of pompano generations that lived exclusively in salty seas—shows a fraction of the biological flexibility that many fish at the time of the Flood must have had. This flexibility allowed those fish and other sea creatures to survive the cataclysm and to adapt to new environments after the Flood.


3 posted on 03/09/2009 9:26:08 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Teh Stupid is strong in this one.


6 posted on 03/09/2009 9:34:38 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

“Year-long”...? What happened to 40 days and 40 nights? Also, where does the Bible call post-Eden Earth “idyllic” or suggest that the continents were fused until the flood?!


7 posted on 03/09/2009 9:35:17 AM PDT by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: GodGunsGuts

The global judgement that the catastrophists envision to account for all the geological evidence of a much older world would have generated sufficient heat to cook every fish in the ocean. So God not only preserved Noah and his family, He also miraculously preserved all the fish species he wanted to survive (but for some reason He hated trilobites).


8 posted on 03/09/2009 9:35:29 AM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
In total disclosure I do not buy evolution, but I do not by the young earth's explanation of orgins either. I always laugh when young earthers, to fit a young earth view, have to create more evolution in animals than even Darwin did. Here is an example from the article:

Those (FISH) that survived must have had inherent abilities to quickly adapt to rapid changes in salt concentration, among other factors. Millennia have elapsed since the flood, and since genetic robustness diminishes with time, it is likely that many fish that today have narrow salinity tolerances came from ancestors that had broader potential in that area..

This theory require a rapid speciation that even Darwin could not dream of. Yet no evidence to back this up in DNA or genetic studies. At least evolution postulate "junk DNA", not stories about fish in restaurants.

9 posted on 03/09/2009 9:35:54 AM PDT by 11th Commandment (United States is a NOW a Terrorist Nation- we export abortion!)
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To: GodGunsGuts
"the world before Noah’s Flood, including the oceans, must have been idyllic"

it was so idyllic that the flood was necessary.

10 posted on 03/09/2009 9:39:27 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: GodGunsGuts

While “creation research” stuff is fun to read, this movement has become it’s own religeon. It’s purpose is to prove God by natural evidence.
A person either takes God at His Word by faith, or chooses a god of his own design, in this case creationism.


14 posted on 03/09/2009 9:49:47 AM PDT by WestwardHo (Whom the god would destroy, they first drive mad.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

If sea levels rose to cover mountains in 40 days and the continents split apart as a result, the salinity of the water for fish would be the least of their problems.

BTW, what does the R stand for in ICR? It says ‘Research’ on the website that’s gotta be a typo. They seem to spend all their time waiting for someone else to do some real science before drawing wild and unsubstantiated conclusions from it.

If they spent a fraction of the time actually doing what they claim to do instead of yelling from the bleachers, maybe they could put some evidence together to account for continents moving 5,000 kilometers in a few months or the claim that T.Rex, lions and sharks weren’t carnivorous to begin with.

But I shouldn’t hold my breathe, right?


25 posted on 03/09/2009 4:26:39 PM PDT by Natufian (The mesolithic wasn't so bad, was it?)
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Evolution in Your Face
by Patrick Huyghe
Omni
Lake Victoria, Africa's largest lake, is home to more than 300 species of cichlids. These fish, which are popular in aquariums, are deep-bodied and have one nostril, rather than the usual two, on each side of the head. Seismic profiles and cores of the lake taken by a team headed by Thomas C. Johnson of the University of Minnesota, reveal that the lake dried up completely about 12,400 years ago. This means that the rate of speciation of cichlid fishes has been extremely rapid: something on average of one new species every 40 years!
The Origin of the Oceans
by Immanuel Velikovsky
It must have been at the very beginning of my occupation with the problems later developed in my books and in not yet published manuscripts, that I came upon the question of the origin of salts in seas and oceans. The common salt is a substantial ingredient of the oceanic content, or, said differently, the water of the oceans and seas contains a substantial solution of NaCl, or sodium chloride. Even though our blood and tissues abound in sodium chloride, man and animals are not adapted to drink salty water, and life on land could develop only thanks to the evaporation of the water from the surface of seas and oceans, or to distillation -- the evaporating water is free from salts. Falling as rain or snow or dew, it feeds underground sources and also glaciers, and through them the brooks and rivers and lakes, and is delivered to our use usually through concrete tubes and metal pipes.

Of the salts of the seas sodium chloride is by far the most abundant. The provenance of it is, however, a riddle. It was, and still is, assumed that the salts in the oceans originated mainly through importation from land, having been dissolved from rocks by flowing rivulets and rivers, themselves fed by underground sources, and the same process working on the rocks of the seabed. Terrestrial formations are rich in sodium, and in eons of time, it is assumed, the sodium washed out of the rocks supplied its content to the oceans; the seas evaporate and the concentration of these salts grows. But the rocks are by far not so rich in chlorine, and hence the problem -- from where did chlorine come to contribute its abundance to oceanic water?
On Saturn and the Flood
by Immanuel Velikovsky
With the end of the seven days of light the Earth became enveloped in waters of cosmic origin, whether coming directly from Saturn -- and Saturn is known to contain water -- or formed from clouds of hydrogen gas ejected by the nova, which combined, by means of powerful electrical discharges, with the Earth's own free oxygen. There are definite indications of a drastic drop in the atmospheric oxygen at the time of the Deluge -- the survivors of the catastrophe are said in several sources to have been unable to light fires. The Midrashim and other ancient sources describe the waters of the Flood as being warm; in addition the waters may have been rich in chlorine, an element which in combination with sodium forms common salt. Marine geologists are unable to trace the origin of the huge amounts of chlorine locked in the salt of the Earth's oceans, the Earth's own rocks being rather poor in this element and incapable of supplying it in the needed quantities. Chlorine may thus be of extraneous origin; being a very active element...
Hydrogen and Oxygen
by Immanuel Velikovsky
According to rabbinical sources, before the Deluge man was vegetarian; but the post-diluvian population did not continue the vegetarian habits of the "sinful" population of the earth. The Talmud and the Midrashim narrate that after the Deluge a carnivorous instinct was awakened in animal and man, and everyone had the impulse to bite.

26 posted on 03/09/2009 7:40:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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