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Frank Schaeffer: Open Letter to the Republican Traitors (barf alert)
Mashget ^ | 3/9/09

Posted on 03/09/2009 5:24:04 PM PDT by lewisglad

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To: lewisglad
Frankie (as he always used to be known) wrote a trilogy that was a thinly veiled account of his own life growing up.

It's utterly humiliating.

His mother and sisters are still alive, so I'd imagine that it's been really painful for them.

41 posted on 03/09/2009 7:14:54 PM PDT by Artist
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To: Arguendo

You have a point there.


42 posted on 03/09/2009 7:47:15 PM PDT by Sir Clancelot
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To: Theophilus

How do you know what he thought of himself? Did you know him personally?

My assessment of him based on his movies, his writings and his interactions during a speech he gave one day at my college.


43 posted on 03/09/2009 7:49:33 PM PDT by Sir Clancelot
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To: Quix

Frankie Schaeffer has gone over to the other side ???????????????

Yuk.


44 posted on 03/09/2009 8:20:22 PM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: Joya

It’s a pretty glaring example of:

LET HIM WHO THINKS HE STAND, TAKE HEED LEST HE FALL.

Praise God Franklin Graham is still going strong in The Lord!


45 posted on 03/09/2009 8:42:43 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Sir Clancelot
My assessment of him based on his movies, his writings and his interactions during a speech he gave one day at my college.

Poor assessment. I think you are sadly mistaken. I've never heard a more mild, modest and thoughtful person than Francis Schaeffer. Thousands and thousands of young students flocked to his retreat in the 0's and 70's.

Try Again? How Should We Then Live? EP1 The Roman Age 1of4

Right Now Counts Forever

Statism

by R.C. Sproul
“A decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered….” In Luke 2, the well-known passage introducing the nativity story, the title accorded to the Roman emperor is Caesar Augustus. Had this census been mandated earlier under the monarchy of Julius Caesar, the Scripture would read: “A decree went out from Julius Caesar….” Had Octavian followed the model of Julius, he would have called himself Octavianus Caesar, and then the text would read: “A decree went out from Octavianus Caesar….” But we note Octavius’ explicit change of his personal name to the title Caesar Augustus. This indicates the emerging dimension of the emperor cult in Rome, by which those who were elevated to the role of emperor were worshiped as deities. To be called “august” would mean to be clothed with supreme dignity, to which is owed the reverence given to the sacred. The elevation of the emperor in Rome to this kind of status was the ancient zenith of statism.

About thirty years ago, I shared a taxi cab in St. Louis with Francis Schaeffer. I had known Dr. Schaeffer for many years, and he had been instrumental in helping us begin our ministry in Ligonier, Pennsylvania, in 1971. Since our time together in St. Louis was during the twilight of Schaeffer’s career, I posed this question to him: “Dr. Schaeffer, what is your biggest concern for the future of the church in America?” Without hesitation, Dr. Schaeffer turned to me and spoke one word: “Statism.” Schaeffer’s biggest concern at that point in his life was that the citizens of the United States were beginning to invest their country with supreme authority, such that the free nation of America would become one that would be dominated by a philosophy of the supremacy of the state.

In statism, we see the suffix “ism,” which indicates a philosophy or worldview. A decline from statehood to statism happens when the government is perceived as or claims to be the ultimate reality. This reality then replaces God as the supreme entity upon which human existence depends.

In the nineteenth century, Hegel argued in his extensive and complex study of Western history that progress represents the unfolding in time and space of the absolute Idea (Hegel’s vague understanding of God), which would reach its apex in the creation of the Prussian state. The assumption that Hegel made in the nineteenth century was made before the advent of Hitler’s Third Reich, Stalin’s Russia, and Chairman Mao’s communist China. These nations reached an elevation of statism never dreamed of by Hegel in his concept of the Prussian state.

In America, we have a long history of valuing the concept of the separation of church and state. This idea historically referred to a division of labors between the church and the civil magistrate. However, initially both the church and the state were seen as entities ordained by God and subject to His governance. In that sense, the state was considered to be an entity that was “under God.” What has happened in the past few decades is the obfuscation of this original distinction between church and state, so that today the language we hear of separation of church and state, when carefully exegeted, communicates the idea of the separation of the state from God. In this sense, it’s not merely that the state declares independence from the church, it also declares independence from God and presumes itself to rule with autonomy.

The whole idea of a nation under God has been challenged again and again, and we have seen the exponential growth of government in our land, particularly the federal government, so that the government now virtually engulfs all of life. Where education once was under the direction of local authorities, it now is controlled and directed by federal legislation. The economy that once was driven by the natural forces of the market has now come under the strict control of the federal government, which not only regulates the economy, but considers itself responsible for controlling it. Where we have seen the largest measure of the loss of liberty is with respect to the function of the church. Though the church is still somewhat tolerated in America (in a way it was not tolerated in Mao’s Red China and under Stalin), it is tolerated only when it remains outside of the public square. In other words, the church has been relegated to a status not unlike that given to the native Americans, where the tribes were allowed to continue to exist as long as they functioned safely on a reservation, outside of any significant influence on the government. So although the church has not been banished completely by the statism that has emerged in America, it has been effectively banished from the public square.

Throughout the history of the Christian church, Christianity has always stood over against all forms of statism. Statism is the natural and ultimate enemy to Christianity because it involves a usurpation of the reign of God. If Francis Schaeffer was right — and each year that passes makes his prognosis seem all the more accurate — it means that the church and the nation face a serious crisis in our day. In the final analysis, if statism prevails in America, it will mean not only the death of our religious freedom, but also the death of the state itself. We face perilous times where Christians and all people need to be vigilant about the rapidly encroaching elevation of the state to supremacy.

46 posted on 03/09/2009 8:47:47 PM PDT by Theophilus (The people who were going to buy your home got aborted 30 years ago.)
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To: lewisglad
As the father of a Marine who served in George W. Bush's misbegotten wars let me say this: if President Obama's strategy to repair our economy, infrastructure and healthcare fails that will put our troops at far greater risk because the world will become a far more dangerous place. So for all you flag-waving Republicans who are trying to undermine the President at home -- if you succeed more of our troops will be killed abroad.

Uh, Frank, you're just about the absolute last person I'd listen to about winning or losing.

Your desires for Hussein's strategies to be successful are rooted in a willful ignorance of history and truth.

Go study somethin' besides your own prejudices, Frank. Your pop had the right ideas; you've become the religious right's whiny PK who just graduated from college and thinks he knows it all.

Ya don't know it all, Frank. You're just a bitter old man who needs to re-learn your first love for the truth.

47 posted on 03/10/2009 2:30:21 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: xcamel

Franky is messed up. He now denounces his parents and all religious right. There are many wonderful people in the religious right. If not for them, America would not have survived to this point. Franky got in with the wrong crowd and drank their Koolaid.


48 posted on 03/10/2009 3:29:26 AM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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